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    One of the vilest messiahs of US “libertarianism,” Murray Rothbard, associated with Holocaust deniers and argued for the pig to be allowed to torture suspects (not people convicted of anything - suspects).

    If your roots are fascist, you are fascist. US “libertarianism” is about as fascist as Heinrich Himmler.

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      FWIW,

      rw:Murray Rothbard

      Rothbard was one of the foremost proponents of the pseudo-psychology known as praxeology. Rothbard viewed property rights as paramount to freedom and so went even beyond von Mises, who was a minarchist, in advocating anarcho-capitalism. He was also known as a big critic of fractional reserve banking and the Federal Reserve. Because of his philosophy, he held many views that would be seen as progressive as well as ones that were misguided. For example, he voiced support for the civil rights movement,[note 1] but also defended the practice of child labor, “racialist science,”[2] and that “cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment.”[3] Also, despite his initial vocal support for revolutionary black power politics, he later worked with Lew Rockwell, founder and then president of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, to run a campaign strategy to exploit racism in order to build a libertarian/paleoconservative coalition (dubbed Paleolibertarianism),[4] and praised the notorious work by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray, The Bell Curve.[5] He was known as the first anarcho-capitalist.

      rw:Benito Mussolini

      Benito later followed his mother into school-teaching and became politically active as a democratic socialist. He was a very prominent member of the Italian Socialist Party in the years prior to World War I.[18] He edited several socialist papers and also wrote a satirical novel, The Cardinal’s Mistress, which was poorly written and mostly served as a vehicle for numerous anti-clerical rants.[19][20]

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          Apparently Rothbard wasn’t as bad as Himmler, but he was bad enough.

          You no more have to be a disciple of Rothbard, Rand, or Hoppe to be a libertarian, anymore than you have to be a tankie to be leftist, however tankies might say otherwise.

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            Apparently Rothbard wasn’t as bad as Himmler,

            Of course not - the likes of Rothbard or Rand will never be caught dead close to the mass-graves their ideological grifting helped to dig.

            anymore than you have to be a tankie to be leftist

            I make a hard distinction between leftists and political racketeers masquerading as leftists right until they get the power they crave. I place everything spawned by the Bolsheviks in the latter category.

            There is nothing unique or new about this distinction.

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              Rand wrote about the Nazis and fascists.

              She didn’t like them.

              So are you saying that your brand of leftism was spawned before the Bolsheviks—i.e. over 100 years ago?

              What do you think about Karl Marx, a 19th century political philosopher, IIUC?

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                She didn’t like them.

                She sure liked their methods.

                So are you saying that your brand of leftism was spawned before

                The French didn’t invent left or right - they just invented a useful shorthand to distinguish between the two.