Real talk, it’s going to be like the troubles or the early days of Nazi Germany, not like people forming battle lines and shit. The only way the latter happens is if states secede; one viable scenario I’ve considered is California/Pacifica seceding and a subsequent shooting fight over water rights, because of how much water California gets from the Colorado River basin and other water sources outside its borders. But realistically, it’s going to be shitty partisan on partisan on innocent bystander violence.
Best advice I’ve heard is to form close ties and mutual aid agreements with your neighbors and friends. A small network of people can be far, far, far more resilient in defending protecting themselves than individuals or families can.
Best advice I’ve heard is to form close ties and mutual aid agreements with your neighbors and friends.
My neighbors are heavy GOP supporters. The single political sign I’ve ever put in my yard was to support the Pro Reproductive Freedom amendment ballot measure (pro choice amendment, which subsequently passed!). All of my neighbors had signs in their yard opposing it. I had a neighbor that lived a block away stop me while I was mowing my law asking me why I support a law that killed babies and turning kids trans. Nothing in the reproductive freedom amendment language has anything to do with anything trans.
Best advice I’ve heard is to form close ties and mutual aid agreements with your neighbors and friends. A small network of people can be far, far, far more resilient in defending protecting themselves than individuals or families can.
I read an interview with someone from the war in Bosnia, and he talked about surviving the war. He said big families, in one house, they had an easier war. When shit gets real is when “friends” start to evaporate or turn their back, a lot more than you would think. The single people, or little families off on their own, they mostly didn’t make it.
It’s because that war was about national (racial) and religious identity. Families usually belonged together then.
In Usa it will be a little different. Race would be one aspect, too. But more so your wealth/social status. A struggle between classes. Rich against poor, and many shades in between.
And maybe young against old. Conservativism has gone too far in both (still so-called) parties. “Left” may not be progressive enough anymore.
It would never happen, no one in CA wants to leave the US and figure out how to maintain a national robust military. Also it’s really unlikely any US armed forces would break off from the US in significant numbers, so if you want to enforce your new country, you need to navigate a potential war with a military that has bases, weapons development, troops, and equipment in the most strategically advantaged locations. You’d need to silently create a counter army, and have VERY risky attacks at nearly every base all the same time, and capture most of the equipment in the process. If you aren’t force marching hundreds of US military people to a secure location, you aren’t winning any war, and the only successful way to exit the US is to have a military strong enough to prevent the US from immediately seizing control of the state, or thinking twice about starting a war.
It’s infinitly easier to use the existing system to progress the country in the direction you want to go over all.
The only way the latter happens is if states secede
Still seems pretty unlikely at this point, but I could maybe see this. Especially with the whole thing around Oregon and Idaho right now. Could start seeing states reform along political boundaries. Those lines aren’t very clean, but they exist.
I think the rural areas would just lose by mass though. Also, nobody seems to understand the co-dependence between urban and rural areas so splitting them up with weaken both.
Real talk, it’s going to be like the troubles or the early days of Nazi Germany, not like people forming battle lines and shit. The only way the latter happens is if states secede; one viable scenario I’ve considered is California/Pacifica seceding and a subsequent shooting fight over water rights, because of how much water California gets from the Colorado River basin and other water sources outside its borders. But realistically, it’s going to be shitty partisan on partisan on innocent bystander violence.
Best advice I’ve heard is to form close ties and mutual aid agreements with your neighbors and friends. A small network of people can be far, far, far more resilient in defending protecting themselves than individuals or families can.
My neighbors are heavy GOP supporters. The single political sign I’ve ever put in my yard was to support the Pro Reproductive Freedom amendment ballot measure (pro choice amendment, which subsequently passed!). All of my neighbors had signs in their yard opposing it. I had a neighbor that lived a block away stop me while I was mowing my law asking me why I support a law that killed babies and turning kids trans. Nothing in the reproductive freedom amendment language has anything to do with anything trans.
…I’m so confused by his logic.
That’s because it’s not logic
Well, using that word is your first mistake.
I read an interview with someone from the war in Bosnia, and he talked about surviving the war. He said big families, in one house, they had an easier war. When shit gets real is when “friends” start to evaporate or turn their back, a lot more than you would think. The single people, or little families off on their own, they mostly didn’t make it.
It’s because that war was about national (racial) and religious identity. Families usually belonged together then.
In Usa it will be a little different. Race would be one aspect, too. But more so your wealth/social status. A struggle between classes. Rich against poor, and many shades in between.
And maybe young against old. Conservativism has gone too far in both (still so-called) parties. “Left” may not be progressive enough anymore.
It would never happen, no one in CA wants to leave the US and figure out how to maintain a national robust military. Also it’s really unlikely any US armed forces would break off from the US in significant numbers, so if you want to enforce your new country, you need to navigate a potential war with a military that has bases, weapons development, troops, and equipment in the most strategically advantaged locations. You’d need to silently create a counter army, and have VERY risky attacks at nearly every base all the same time, and capture most of the equipment in the process. If you aren’t force marching hundreds of US military people to a secure location, you aren’t winning any war, and the only successful way to exit the US is to have a military strong enough to prevent the US from immediately seizing control of the state, or thinking twice about starting a war.
It’s infinitly easier to use the existing system to progress the country in the direction you want to go over all.
Still seems pretty unlikely at this point, but I could maybe see this. Especially with the whole thing around Oregon and Idaho right now. Could start seeing states reform along political boundaries. Those lines aren’t very clean, but they exist.
I think the rural areas would just lose by mass though. Also, nobody seems to understand the co-dependence between urban and rural areas so splitting them up with weaken both.