• NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
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    1 year ago

    Who decides what constitutes a “need”? Will this proposed society be based purely on subsistence?

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      Who decides what constitutes a “need”?

      Aaaaand that’s how communism —> dictatorship

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      You and those whose needs would cause their needs to go unmet.

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      Needs refer to Use-Values being desired. It doesn’t refer to subsistence. Of course, subsistence takes priority, but after that production is decided by society itself.

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        “Congratulations comrade, this week you get a new toaster!”

        “…my shoes are falling off my feet…”

        “We do not have shoes, comrade! This week we made toasters!”

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          Do you think all of society would only produce 1 commodity? Are you 4 years old?

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            Ok, let me try to make this simpler and more direct, since abstraction clearly isn’t your strong suit. The problem is with this:

            production is decided by society itself

            In practice, this becomes a committee sitting in a room somewhere deciding what & how much the society needs, and then how to go about producing it. The problem with this is that it can only ever be reactive and not proactive (a need must be recognized before it can be addressed, therefore the need must exist first in order to be recognized). Having a government make all production decisions will never be flexible or fast enough to actually sustain a society.

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              -Sets up problematic hypothetical that people are not in fact advocating for

              -Destroy strawman

              Wow, you’re so good at arguing and abstraction!

              Sarcasm aside, you’re wrong about everything, from your weird council thing to the idea that demand can’t be predicted before price markers. Central Planning is not at all like what you’ve painted it as. The USSR managed constant growth even with planning by hand, in the age of computers where Amazon and Walmart predict demand before it appears this isn’t an issue.

              You have a lot of history to dig through, as well as logistics, before you make such a terribly ignorant statement like that.