Basically just what the title says, how well do they work together/interact with each other and how can it be improved?
I don’t like microblog-style social media, but there are some people and/or organizations that I’d like to follow (for example, Nick from the Linux experiment). To my knowledge, I pretty much just have to keep mastodon around to see microblog content. I’d really rather just follow the few people I want to from here and otherwise maintain the current functionality of Lemmy.
One option could be to have a client that uses both platforms together, but I think that would just be clunky (like the title of this post, sorry about that). Another would be to add the ability to follow people into Lemmy, but I think that may mess up how Lemmy is intended to work. The last option I’ve been able to come up with is turning a mastodon user into a community, kind of like the reverse of what mastodon does to Lemmy communities.
I know a lot of people probably don’t want microblog-style functionality on Lemmy (I’m one of them for the most part) but I think the entire concept of the fediverse is kind of a moot point if the various different platforms can’t actually interact properly. Right now, it seems like mastodon is the only one that really talks to other platforms the way they’re all supposed to. I’d really like to be able to access all of the fediverse’s content from right here on Lemmy, because it is my favorite fediverse platform and part of the point of the fediverse is to only need one platform for all of the content.
Let me know what y’all think about the current state of interoperability between Lemmy and mastodon (or just fedi platforms in general) and what can and/or should be done to improve it.
They don’t currently interact properly. When a Mastodon post shows up in Lemmy, it doesn’t have an appropriate title, the body usually has a bunch of mentions, and the responses aren’t worded like normal Lemmy comments.
I can’t speak to protocol interoperability, but culturally, Mastodon posts rarely work in Lemmy.
That’s the major thing I hate about Mastodon, where threaded comments include every user in the chain. It reads so terribly and just messes up everything. The server knows which comment is nested with other comments, and the UI shows this. The only thing they’re useful for is notifications, and even that seems like a solved problem on the server side to handle.
Doesn’t Twitter hide the usernames of people in the thread but still notify them? I thought it had some quality of life tweak that made conversations a bit easier to read.
Not sure, but I guess this could be handled entirely client side, but then creates bad experiences across different platforms. I’m not sure what happens now on Mastadon if someone replies to your note and doesn’t @ mention you? As someone coming from Reddit, I think they way Lemmy handles nested conversations and notifications makes more sense.
Agreed. For Lemmy content, Lemmy’s UI is perfectly cromulent.
They work better than some posts from lemmy <-> lemmy, i get quicker responses and federation with mastodon than with lemmy. The only annoying thing is to start a conversation i and the responder need to ping us both.
What /c community do these posts even show up in?
As far as I see, the one that was tagged in Mastodon.
Lemmy communities are treated as users by Mastodon, and they boost contributions to the communities. If you tag the community in Mastodon, the post will appear in the lemmy community.
how can it be improved?
Honestly I don’t like how they’re jammed together.
The Mastadon people (especially ones that use their real name and post their work history in the bios) constantly make posts to Lemmy communities and then will just flat out deny they did, and when you show them what their posts look like on Lemmy, 99% of the time they sincerely claim it’s a bot that only reposts them because they do t even have a Lemmt account. They legit believe they’re that important
Literally the most infuriating exchanges I have had on here as far as trying to help someone understand it.
I used to explain it and block them, but they always “@” you when they reply which doesn’t always get stopped by blocks.
So now I just block em immediately when I see their posts. There’s no use in attempting to explain anything to them.
Yeah what we’ve got so far is kinda clunky, I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of people on mastodon don’t even know they can see Lemmy posts because of how mastodon handles it.
Hi can you point out some posts made from Mastodon to Lemmy? Thanks.
I guess the url it gave me was the literal mastodon post. I found this in !firefox@lemmy.ml, it’s common to see mastodon posts there because everyone loves to tag @firefox and I guess mastodon resolves it to the most active community?
Thanks, that’s very interesting how it plays out.
I ended up just creating multiple accounts: One for Lemmy, one for Mastodon, one for mbin/kbin. I have downloaded a bunch of the apps and still unsatisfied but my hopes will be that there eventually can be a universal app that can host all accounts and possibly have just one feed based on an umbrella account. I have Jerboa and Thunder for Lemmy, basic Mastodon app, Interstellar for mbin and Lemmy but I had to create a separate mbin account, and I tried Fedilab but I haven’t experienced enough to judge. I assume they will get better rather quickly. I am still new to the Fediverse so I am learning. There needs to be an app that can host all the different platforms though, either with an overall account to link them or a dynamic feed where you can switch a drop-down setting between platforms based on one central account.
I think if anything then found the route of mbin would make sense in separating them but in the same ui. This is because they have different culture, but I am also only running a mastodon instance just to be able to follow and interact with a few people. If I could do that from PieFed, I’d be happy about it.
Mbin does this one-account-for-both-microblogging-and-forum-style-stuff, if using that rather than Lemmy is fine for you.
Might have to give it a try
