I have so many complaints about that movie but THIS is number one. The entire thing is a complete waste of time, all set about because Poe got turned into an insubordinate, hotheaded moron. Doesn’t help that Holdo has a perfectly functional plan she won’t share with anyone instead preferring to let them believe they’re all going to die, but frankly the movie is just a series of stupid, terrible decisions in a row from every character and above all, the director.
The hyperspace collision as a weapon is worldbreaking.
If that works in the Star Wars universe, in A New Hope, why didn’t the Rebellion just get large asteroids and attach hyperspace engines to them and aim them at the Death Star. Asteroids traveling at hyperspace speeds, especially hundreds of them would be unstoppable and not a single Rebel life would have been in danger.
Poe got turned into an insubordinate, hotheaded moron.
This made no sense to me. Poe, in the Last Jedi, acts completely different that Poe in the prior movie where he was calm, collected and rational. If they wanted a character to be hotheaded, introduce a new character.
Forget the rebels, why build the death star(s) in the first place?
It’s easier, faster, and waaaaay more effective to just send a few dozen small ships throughout the galaxy with an extra hyperdrive or two to be ready to blow up any planet with some space junk. Any time. Any place. No centralized base for the rebels to stop.
Agreed on both points. Poe was done dirty, the Holdo Maneuver is OP af, and the entire movie was designed to show off and put the director’s personal stamp on the franchise more than it was attempting to respect the lore and its audience.
Not to be that guy but I’m still complaining about the silent space scene. The Last Jedi was the 10th movie in the franchise (12th if you count the animated movies and 13th if you count the made for tv Ewok movie) and it was the first time there was no roar of engines, no sounds of weapons fire, the sound effect of jumping to hyperspace didn’t even play. Star Wars isn’t 2001. It’s not set in our universe. In the Star Wars universe sound waves travel through space.
Be that guy! Part of being part of a storied franchise is staying in your lane. TLJ deliberately went out of its way to set itself apart, which is NOT how you’re supposed to do it.
The trilogy would’ve been much better if either director had done all 3. Either J.J. Abrams with a fun nostalgic return to form, or Rian Johnson with a fresh new take. The whiplash from them fighting with each other over the direction of the plot just ended up being a huge mess. I’m pretty surprised they weren’t just told what the plot was going to be, kind of seems like a screwup by whoever handled that.
Or just have Rian Johnson do a “Star Wars Story” movie where he could come up with some characters and do his own thing. Seems to be what he wanted to do.
JJ Abrams was the best guy to do a movie where they’re bringing back the original characters again. As soon as you bring back some old characters it’s never going to be completely fresh and original because you have those existing characters there. But that’s fine, they didn’t need to be great ground breaking movies. Having three solid movies with the original cast passing the torch to a new generation with a bunch of fun action scenes is all it needed to be.
I think they did things exactly backwards. The Episodes should’ve played it a little more safe (you got the beloved original characters so you don’t want to screw it up) while the “Star Wars Story” movies should’ve taken big risks. Instead they made TLJ be a weird departure from action adventure (which didn’t accomplish anything) while the Star Wars Story movies were a couple of prequels that couldn’t deviate much from things we already knew. Should’ve taken some risks on the Star Wars story movies because missing the mark on those ones wouldn’t have hurt the franchise. I didn’t care for Rogue One, but it didn’t ruin anything because I can just ignore it. Can’t ignore TLJ with it being right in the middle of a Trilogy featuring characters I like.
Didn’t Holdo’s plan involve modifying some spaceships so they wouldn’t be detected? Wouldn’t that involve engineers? Isn’t Rose and engineer? Why didn’t Rose know what Holdo’s plan was? Did Holdo also not tell the engineers her plan? Maybe that’s why half the ships got blown up by the First Order immediately.
That whole plotline made no sense and was completely pointless. But basically all of the plotlines were pointless in that movies.
Yeah but the First Order launched a fighter attack that took out most of the Resistance leadership, and after that success they decided to not do that anymore. They could’ve easily spotted any ships trying to escape if they had their fighters constantly harassing the Resistance ships.
So the idiot Resistance plan was to count on the First Order to be idiots. But while they were idiotic enough to not continue using their fighters (which were super effective), but not so idiotic as to not look out the window.
Have some sympathy for Holdo! When you’re an idiot in an idiot plot, it’s really hard to judge how idiotic your enemy will be.
If I had the chance to make edits to the script, I’d have done the following:
Replace the animals in the racing with podracers
Have the hacker guy drop the dreadnought’s shields for a moment to permit the Holdo manoeuvre
The podracer stuff is basically just fanservice, but it’s very minor and not adding any more distractions than were already there, so I think that’s fine
The hacker does have a motivation to ensure the empire doesn’t get a clean win. He profits from the war. He wants both sides to struggle. Doing this just as he leaves gives him an actual role beyond betraying Finn and Rose, makes sense for his motivations, and also explains why hyperspeed ramming doesn’t usually work in Star Wars
These are good changes. Also I would suggest that they should have switched it to the Leia maneuver instead of Holdo, have her use the force to put Holdo to sleep or something to save her life. If I remember correctly Carrie Fisher had passed away while it was still in post production?
Ahh, I forgot about that. I think they should have just committed to having Kylo Ren kill her. He pulled the trigger, after all, the intent was there.
I liked Holdo as a character. I believe she was meant to come across as overbearing and arrogant because part of her role was to teach Poe that his recklessness was doing as much harm as good. He had to learn to work with other people, and Holdo was the one to show him that. She had to be (initially) unlikeable so that Poe would chafe against her command
The codebreaker/casino arc in The Last Jedi
I have so many complaints about that movie but THIS is number one. The entire thing is a complete waste of time, all set about because Poe got turned into an insubordinate, hotheaded moron. Doesn’t help that Holdo has a perfectly functional plan she won’t share with anyone instead preferring to let them believe they’re all going to die, but frankly the movie is just a series of stupid, terrible decisions in a row from every character and above all, the director.
Can you tell I hate this movie?
The hyperspace collision as a weapon is worldbreaking.
If that works in the Star Wars universe, in A New Hope, why didn’t the Rebellion just get large asteroids and attach hyperspace engines to them and aim them at the Death Star. Asteroids traveling at hyperspace speeds, especially hundreds of them would be unstoppable and not a single Rebel life would have been in danger.
This made no sense to me. Poe, in the Last Jedi, acts completely different that Poe in the prior movie where he was calm, collected and rational. If they wanted a character to be hotheaded, introduce a new character.
Forget the rebels, why build the death star(s) in the first place?
It’s easier, faster, and waaaaay more effective to just send a few dozen small ships throughout the galaxy with an extra hyperdrive or two to be ready to blow up any planet with some space junk. Any time. Any place. No centralized base for the rebels to stop.
Agreed on both points. Poe was done dirty, the Holdo Maneuver is OP af, and the entire movie was designed to show off and put the director’s personal stamp on the franchise more than it was attempting to respect the lore and its audience.
Not to be that guy but I’m still complaining about the silent space scene. The Last Jedi was the 10th movie in the franchise (12th if you count the animated movies and 13th if you count the made for tv Ewok movie) and it was the first time there was no roar of engines, no sounds of weapons fire, the sound effect of jumping to hyperspace didn’t even play. Star Wars isn’t 2001. It’s not set in our universe. In the Star Wars universe sound waves travel through space.
Be that guy! Part of being part of a storied franchise is staying in your lane. TLJ deliberately went out of its way to set itself apart, which is NOT how you’re supposed to do it.
The trilogy would’ve been much better if either director had done all 3. Either J.J. Abrams with a fun nostalgic return to form, or Rian Johnson with a fresh new take. The whiplash from them fighting with each other over the direction of the plot just ended up being a huge mess. I’m pretty surprised they weren’t just told what the plot was going to be, kind of seems like a screwup by whoever handled that.
Or just have Rian Johnson do a “Star Wars Story” movie where he could come up with some characters and do his own thing. Seems to be what he wanted to do.
JJ Abrams was the best guy to do a movie where they’re bringing back the original characters again. As soon as you bring back some old characters it’s never going to be completely fresh and original because you have those existing characters there. But that’s fine, they didn’t need to be great ground breaking movies. Having three solid movies with the original cast passing the torch to a new generation with a bunch of fun action scenes is all it needed to be.
I think they did things exactly backwards. The Episodes should’ve played it a little more safe (you got the beloved original characters so you don’t want to screw it up) while the “Star Wars Story” movies should’ve taken big risks. Instead they made TLJ be a weird departure from action adventure (which didn’t accomplish anything) while the Star Wars Story movies were a couple of prequels that couldn’t deviate much from things we already knew. Should’ve taken some risks on the Star Wars story movies because missing the mark on those ones wouldn’t have hurt the franchise. I didn’t care for Rogue One, but it didn’t ruin anything because I can just ignore it. Can’t ignore TLJ with it being right in the middle of a Trilogy featuring characters I like.
Didn’t Holdo’s plan involve modifying some spaceships so they wouldn’t be detected? Wouldn’t that involve engineers? Isn’t Rose and engineer? Why didn’t Rose know what Holdo’s plan was? Did Holdo also not tell the engineers her plan? Maybe that’s why half the ships got blown up by the First Order immediately.
That whole plotline made no sense and was completely pointless. But basically all of the plotlines were pointless in that movies.
Wouldn’t be detected by sensors… which is irrelevant since the First Order ships had windows and they were within eyesight(!)
Yeah but the First Order launched a fighter attack that took out most of the Resistance leadership, and after that success they decided to not do that anymore. They could’ve easily spotted any ships trying to escape if they had their fighters constantly harassing the Resistance ships.
So the idiot Resistance plan was to count on the First Order to be idiots. But while they were idiotic enough to not continue using their fighters (which were super effective), but not so idiotic as to not look out the window.
Have some sympathy for Holdo! When you’re an idiot in an idiot plot, it’s really hard to judge how idiotic your enemy will be.
I still have no idea what Snoke’s role was. F Rian Johnson.
He just needs to stick to Knives Out and stay away from other franchises.
If I had the chance to make edits to the script, I’d have done the following:
The podracer stuff is basically just fanservice, but it’s very minor and not adding any more distractions than were already there, so I think that’s fine
The hacker does have a motivation to ensure the empire doesn’t get a clean win. He profits from the war. He wants both sides to struggle. Doing this just as he leaves gives him an actual role beyond betraying Finn and Rose, makes sense for his motivations, and also explains why hyperspeed ramming doesn’t usually work in Star Wars
These are good changes. Also I would suggest that they should have switched it to the Leia maneuver instead of Holdo, have her use the force to put Holdo to sleep or something to save her life. If I remember correctly Carrie Fisher had passed away while it was still in post production?
Ahh, I forgot about that. I think they should have just committed to having Kylo Ren kill her. He pulled the trigger, after all, the intent was there.
I liked Holdo as a character. I believe she was meant to come across as overbearing and arrogant because part of her role was to teach Poe that his recklessness was doing as much harm as good. He had to learn to work with other people, and Holdo was the one to show him that. She had to be (initially) unlikeable so that Poe would chafe against her command
More precisely: Anything in The Last Jedi