You can have cooperatives right now.

All you have to do is teaching intelligent people some math and tell them about experiments and that nature can be understood. The rest will follow.

Everything can be accelerated by adding the idea of the printing press.

If the capitalists expanded their workforce to Africa, South America and Asia, and the middle class was temporary happy with consuming slightly increased wages instead of seeding competition in those countries, then they hadn’t cared about markets.

The middle class always has the breathing room down to consuming as little as the poor. If they don’t use it to control markets, how are they going to maintain a socialist or communist system?

Does the third person argue that it is easy or does the third person only argue that it is easier than the alternatives? How easy would it be to run a revolution or just to establish a socialist party?

What is the third person missing about the reserve army of labor? To me, it seems that reducing the reserve army of labor is their main argument.

What the third person doesn’t mention is that there is a tendency to spend all possible income. The housing market shows that most people use reduced interest rates to increase their offer to outcompete somebody instead of sticking to their limits.

Are skilled workers willing to share their increased income with the poor? San Francisco has huge social problems even though many workers have a huge income.

Leftist - “But if there is a labor market, won’t that make labor cheaper?”

A third person - "Not necessarily. If the demand for labor is bigger than the supply then markets make labor more expensive.

Leftist - " How is that possible? "

A third person - " There are various ways. Workers could start more cooperatives or invest their savings in new companies"

Leftist - “But why should I care about markets when it is easier to change the political system?”

A third person - “Is it easier?”