Ah ok, as I said, “everything that is left wing is good and paradise. Everything right wing is pure evil”.

In a left-wing state the state always holds the power… So once that state becomes corrupted and uses that power to keep all workers equally poor, then it is suddenly right wing? Show me what were the capitalist principles in the Soviet Union? Was there a free market, private incentive, private property, competition, minimal state intervention, entrepreneurship, individual rights and freedoms? NOOO THERE WEREN’T. It wasn’t a right-wing state.

You guys are insane. Lemmy became an echo chamber for your delusions. It’s really sad to see people this radicalized.

A dictator is a dictator, who the fuck cares if they are right or left wing? A racist is a racist. A murderer is a murderer. They can be found in any side of the political spectrum, but you’re too biased to believe the left can be corrupted… You are too blinded by what is right and what is left and are totally unable to see there can be combinations of ideologies.

You say dictators are right wing because they don’t follow some left-wing principles? Then I could argue that all dictators are left-wing because by definition the right strives to minimize government controls, and a dictatorship is authoritarian, which goes against right-wing policies… But I’m done arguing. This is my last Lemmy comment. You are so blinded by the left vs right argument you can’t see beyond that. This degree of fanatism can’t be healthy, I don’t want to become radicalized like you people. This self imposed blindness is sad and pathetic. Good bye.

It is. Just like fascism, these are terms associated with the right-wing. But that’s not my point… My point is that whatever affiliation the right or left had in the past does not necessarily represent the current affiliations. The fact that the US right-wing is turning to white supremacy is unrelated to Nazis being right wing. That is just a reflection of their systemic racism.

What I’m saying is that it is irrelevant if Republicans are trying to associate the left with Nazis, because even if such association existed, it is not a valid argument to say that the left today is ruled by Nazis, or that the right can’t behave like Nazis. That’s just a fallacy, the same fallacy that they use to point out that voting left will turn us into North Korea or an authoritarian left-wing dictatorship.

I can’t believe people aren’t getting this. It’s like they don’t understand I’m actually pro-left with this argument, somehow they think I’m protecting Nazis and Republicans because I’m not shouting “REPUBLICANS BAD!”

Going back and pointing out how Nazis were right-wing is something that will bite the left in the ass because there are plenty of examples of the left turning into shit too. So instead of comparing with past examples, just analyze their current positions. Is the right currently behaving like Nazis? Yes. Do you need WWII Nazis to be right wing for this to be a fact? No. So even if they convince people that Nazis were left wing, how does that disprove that RIGHT NOW they are the racists and white supremacists?

I’m just saying, don’t play their games.

Oh wow, you’re so cool man.

OK, have a nice day.

We’re clearly arguing to different things here then. You just invaded the discussion to push whatever ideals you have.

It’s like you understand what I’m saying but you’re just here to say that the right wing is behaving like Nazis. I already told you that I agree with that statement, but that’s not the point I’m making. I’m not here to argue wether the right-wing or the left-wing is good or bad. But you keep pushing the discussion towards that direction for some reason.

Arguing with you is pointless. Have a good day, sir.

OK, by that same logic the left-wing dictators and collapsed systems of the past are a model for the present. So is the right justified to push fear with those past examples to show how bad the left is?

Do you see that’s just the same flawed logic they use to scare people away from the left?

Dafuq, North Korea is left wing. OK, so was the Soviet Union also right wing when they marginalized minorities through Russification?

“if it is bad, it is right-wing”.

And yes, my whole point is that the fact North Korea has a left-wing dictatorship doesn’t mean that all left-wing parties will become dictatorships. You finally got my point, damn, it took you so long.

They are behaving like Nazis regardless of if the Nazis were right-wing or left-wing. Nazi behavior can happen in the left or the right. As I already said, discrimination, murder, superiority complex, racism and exploration has also happened in left-wing systems.

Accurate history doesn’t matter in this context because it is being used as a fallacy. The fact that the Nazis were right wing doesn’t make the right affiliated with Nazis. The same way leftist dictators don’t make the left affiliated with dictators.

The point of Republicans is that the left-wing is Nazi because the Nazis were left wing. That’s the fallacy. And instead of brushing that off as a fallacy, you’re falling victim to their games.

And my point was that even in the left, murder, discrimination and racism can exist.

People just choose to think their position is ideal and the opposition is flawed. This type of brainwashing is disgusting.

Yeha, tell that to the North Korean God, Kim, who rises above everyone while keeping everyone else equal.

Exactly. They are twisting reality to justify their shirty actions.

Ok, so if it is important to keep awareness, why did people get triggered here when I pointed out that there have also been murderers, racists and dictators in the left? Is it fine to keep awareness only for the opposition?

Keeping an eye on this is exactly the type of fear that the Republicans use to suppress the left. “A leftist president? Have you seen North Korea?”

It’s just flawed logic.

The only logic that has created the perfect conditions for racists in power is exactly this type of discrimination based on past examples.

You don’t understand. What I’m saying is that you shouldn’t care about it. Do you care if the North Korean dictator is left-wing? No? Good, you shouldn’t. The same way you shouldn’t care if Nazis were right-wing.

Holy crap man, how thick is your skull?

1. they are lying.

2. Nazis were right-wing.

Are you happy? I can’t believe you were totally wooshed by such basic logic and you keep pushing that it is relevant if Nazis were right-wing or left-wing. No wonder Republicans are owning that country.

Yes. Still, it is irrelevant if Nazis were left-wing or right-wing. Everyone knows Republicans always use fallacies in their arguments.

But you’re falling victims to their fallacies by trying to show that the left is not associated with Nazis. Who cares if the Nazis were left-wing!!! That is totally irrelevant. Stop playing their game. If the past associations are relevant, then they could use the communist card and show what the left has done in other countries before, like North Korea.

Stop playing their games.

Exactly, Republicans are using a fallacy. That is my whole point. Even if Nazis were left-wing, it is totally irrelevant. Both left and right can behave like Nazis.

I said it doesn’t matter if the Nazis were right wing or left wing, what matters is that they were criminals. Then that person said that mass murder and racism is only aligned with the right, so I showed him/her that that is wrong, murder and racism can also happen on the left.

The point being that just because in the past there were rotten apples in the left/right, it doesn’t mean that being in the left/right makes you a rotten apple.

What? I’m just saying that being racist or a murderer is totally unrelated to political views. Those can happen in both the left and right.

Guys, you’re smarter than this. For real.

So you’re saying that racism and mass murder did not exist under communist China?

What about Russification in the Soviet Union? Minorities were marginalized.

Why would it be a problem if the Nazis were actually left-wing? You’re not realizing you’re actually a victim of a fallacy. And even more concerning, you’re trying to use the same fallacy to attack back. It’s just flawed logic all over the place.