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  • I grew up in a religious home and was always pretty religious myself. In college i ended up leaving the church and religon entirely. I think the last straw was that there are so many mutually exclusive religions, but only one or none can be right, so how did all the “wrong” ones form? Turns out humans are very good at creating religions and cults, and it’s way more likely that my religion is no different.

    Leaving the church set me on a path of having to actually think about ethics rather than just going by “whatever the bible says”, but besides not going to church on sundays my life didn’t change a whole lot. But in thinking about ethics the only thing that seemed to be able to solidly root ethics was pleasure/pain, or more broadly wellbeing/needless suffering, not an in-the-moment stereotypical hedonistic view of it but broader, factoring in long term results and the impact on others.

    That was fine for a while, until an argument with my dad where he pointed out “if that’s what you base ethics on, why don’t you include animals in it” and at first i was like yeah obviously kicking a puppy is wrong and that’s captured by my view, but it got me to think deeper about it and my actions and i realized that all sentient beings are morally relevant, and i could no longer eat them for my own pleasure. After that i also learned fish are sentient and that the dairy and egg industry are very cruel too, and i couldn’t support them either, and i went vegan.

    Now my perspective is more refined, i would describe my ethical views most succinctly as sentientism, an antispeciesist extension/improvement on humanism








  • Yep, and this is where we start getting to the limits of my knowledge and the weeds of politics. Generally speaking i think as a species we have a lot of jobs that don’t need to exist or shouldn’t exist, and a lot of people who would be left in poverty without them (and many who already are in poverty simply because there are more people than profitable things to do). I think there has got to be some way of meeting everyone’s basic needs without a pretty binary choice of working a traditional job or living in poverty, but exactly what that looks like idk. I have some ideas, but they’re probably not worth getting into here/now

    No problem, and i wouldn’t say you’re dumb about these things. More accepting of injustice than i’d like maybe, but not dumb. I couldn’t find those numbers on their site, how much is it?



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    Many anti-lgbtq+ folks think that people who support or are a part of the lgbtq+ are insufferable, but here we are making progress for peoples rights.

    If you want to be a bigot against nonhuman animals and their rights, i can’t stop you. But at least be aware that that’s what’s happening. People perpetuating injustice are never going to be happy with those against it no matter how it’s presented, so i’d rather just be as clear and concise as I can


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    Sorry, i didn’t word that well. Funding the killing is still a big ethical issue, and trying to find different jobs for those people is an important thing to do, since there’s also a good chance they’d rather not do that if they had better options. For example, iirc ptsd rates are high among slaughterhouse workers

    another major funder of animal agriculture is the US government, which is why i support the agricultural fairness alliance which lobbies against unethical farming and in favor of transitioning animal farmers to plant farming https://agriculturefairnessalliance.org/



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    Ok, so lets stop breeding them first. Stop paying people to force them to get pregnant.

    Ideally we’d be able to release them into the wild or have sanctuaries for them, but that’s just not really possible. But if we stopped forcing more of them into existence then the remaining ones would all be killed pretty fast, which is far better than them and their children and their childrens children, and so on for the foreseeable future being killed.

    More realistically, if animal liberation is achieved the population of farmed animals will gradually decline as fewer people support animal ag until there are only a few of them left, on sanctuaries or reserves or something, or they go extinct


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    Maybe take another step back and recognize that many people who were tortured by the nazis see the similarities to animal agriculture and are actively against it

    Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_analogy_in_animal_rights

    “Perhaps the earliest use of the analogy comes from Edgar Kupfer-Koberwitz, a German concentration camp survivor and journalist, who wrote in 1940 in his “Dachau Diaries” from inside the Dachau Concentration Camp that “I have suffered so much myself that I can feel other creatures’ suffering by virtue of my own”.[4][5] He further wrote, “I believe as long as man tortures and kills animals, he will torture and kill humans as well—and wars will be waged—for killing must be practiced and learned on a small scale”.[4]”