this is an appeal to ridicule…it is not evidence.

earthling Ed is a charlatan and citing a whole YouTube channel is not be evidence

we know that the vast majority of the world eats meat. I think they would say they need to.

you’re not postulating simple arithmetic. you’re claiming studies support your position, but you have provided no evidence. by contrast, I cited a study which was well known to support your position, but which is debunked.

being vegan hasn’t helped

I said that the environment is getting worse. what did I deny?

try presenting evidence.

have a nice day.

i’m sure you can see how your stance can be horrifying for people who believe in deontological ethics.

Scientific papers have shown time and time again, that is statistically the healthiest diet.

the only one i can think that came close to showing this is the china study which has been roundly denounced by most of its researchers.

There are also papers that already show that as far as personal lifestyle changes go, going vegan is the best thing you can do for the environment, for the average person.

no paper i’ve seen establishes this. the closest i’ve seen this claim is joseph poore discussing his 2018 metastudy, but the study itself does not contain this language and no other methods of helping the environment were studied as a part of that paper.

And you have to remember that cows eat more plants than you do, therefore eating cows ends up using more plants, on top of the environmental impact of the animal itself.

livestock are mostly fed plants or parts of plants that people can’t or won’t eat. this is in addition to grazing, which i am not convinced can’t be done responsibly, even if some farmers have not been grazing responsibly.

There are plenty of papers and meta papers that show that plant-based diets have a much, much lower impact on our environment than non-plant-based diets.

they do not show that choosing to eat non-animal products has actualy improved the environment, and they can’t, since the environment continues to be degraded.

it’s not that crazy to say that most animals cannot understand morality.

i mean i agree, but i also don’t eschew speciesism.

Animals are not as intelligent as us for the most part.

this is ableism and speciesism.

saying you’re dark-skinned because you’re black is a fact.

but it’s not universally true. not all black people are dark skinned.

If you kick a tree, it doesn’t

… it doesn’t behave in a way that you interpret as being scared or hurt, and of course trees can’t avoid you. but you don’t know the experience of being a tree.

i think most people would disagree with you about their own needs.

He goes to elite universities and interviews people his age.

two years ago, he was a guest lecturer teaching a course on media at harvard. the power imbalance alone makes the production of that video immoral.

That’s why sweatshops failed in the US, too easy to see.

no, they failed because we were able to organize against them.