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  • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.orgtoAsk Lemmy@lemmy.world•Anybody watching the US Presidential debate right now?
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    2 months ago

    protecting Ukraine

    So, turning Ukraine into a mass prison that people are desperatly trying to escape, where people are kidnapped on the streets and sent to die on the frontlines? Can they somehow opt-out of this protection? Yeah, didn’t think so, obviously you know what’s better for other people.

    No rational person could think he intends to do anything but hand over Ukraine to Russia.

    Obviously it wouldn’t happen, just the current front lines would become the new borders.

    But even your bogeyman “hand over Ukraine to Russia” is still orders of magnitudes better for Ukrainians than the current situation.

  • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.orgtoMemes@lemmy.ml•A new country in the world!
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    3 months ago

    I fucking hate them…
    Almost the entire Lemmy (with an exception of a few .ml and other instances) is telling me how I and my compatriots are happily dying for our glorious master Zelensky, while in reality we have to hide and/or flee, because we just want to live…
    I don’t know if they are truly evil and sadistic or just brainwashed by propaganda… What the fuck did we do to them to deserve this treatment??..

    Anyway, just wanted to say thanks to those who don’t support this sadistic bullshit…

  • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.orgtoMemes@lemmy.ml•A new country in the world!
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    3 months ago

    There’s no evidence for it against so dispite that you’re certain it’s one way and not the other.

    Evidence for what? I’ve linked evidence to what I was saying, you are ignoring it, again…

    You’re not willing to give a country that’s being invaded the benefit of a doubt… I see why you fled you’re a sympathizer.

    What benefit of the doubt?? Some of my family is in Ukraine right now, and each day they fear being kidnapped on the street… What benefit of the doubt you are talking about?? How am I a sympathizer for saying I’m afraid for the lives of those close to me?? You’re either incredibly sadistic or what you’re saying doesn’t make sense…

    Do you have even a little bit of empathy towards people being mass imprisoned and sent to die in Ukraine?..

  • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.orgtoMemes@lemmy.ml•A new country in the world!
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    3 months ago

    I asked you to point out where in my relevant comment the phrase “cede territory” exists

    I kinda don’t understand what are we even talking about now in this thread, but here is quote of you talking about cedeing… I guess you’re trying to say it wasn’t about territory? OK then…

    That cedeing to a country

    the invader if offered zero resistance will simply stop invading out of the good of their heart

    Please stop putting words in my mouth. Quote me where I said that.

  • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.orgtoMemes@lemmy.ml•A new country in the world!
    31·
    3 months ago

    What is it that makes you so consumed with hate

    Whom do I hate? People who are trying to kill me and my family and friends? Should I be okay with it?

    that you are willing to fully align with the russian propaganda?

    I do not “fully align with the Russian propaganda”, only with parts of it that are true… And if I said something that is false, I’d very much like to learn where I’m wrong, if you could just point me exactly what is it that I’ve said that is wrong?

    you’ve given up any critical thinking

    Please tell me what made you think so

  • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.orgtoMemes@lemmy.ml•A new country in the world!
    21·
    3 months ago

    None of those have firsthand accounts, quote one and prove me wrong

    I’m trying to understand what you imagine it like. BBC taking an interview of someone who was grabbed off the street? The chances of it are close to zero because 1) those who are grabbed off the streets are sent to die, not go give interviews 2) it’s not a topic that would be interesting to the western audience, because probanly nobody would be shocked by it and people are going to justify it by “oh well Zelensky needs to do that because he is a good guy fighting bad guys”, just like they do it on lemmy. 3) it is simply not in the interest of media to capture this, because it would go against the west narrative.

    You disregard available evidence because you don’t like it, and instead ask for unrealistic.

    Your sources say the state can’t deprive you of citizenship or make you stateless, you can however choose to be stateless.

    Let me quote the piece of the article that literally says otherwise.

    Вихід допускається, якщо

    особа набула громадянство іншої держави 
або отримала документ, виданий уповноваженими органами іншої держави, про те, що громадянин України набуде її громадянство, якщо вийде з громадянства України.
  • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.orgtoMemes@lemmy.ml•A new country in the world!
    33·
    3 months ago

    No official account

    Do you really expect Zelensky to officially say “we are kidnapping people from the streets so that fight for my regime”?.. Obviously it’s not going to be official…

    Just videos of people being grabbed…

    Some of them are with captions, so even if you don’t understand Ukrainian/Russian you can watch them and hear the offenders saying they are from ТЦК (the “recruitment officers”).

  • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.orgtoMemes@lemmy.ml•A new country in the world!
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    3 months ago

    I don’t understand what you’re saying before the “page break”. You asked me to point to where it says Russia would cede territory to the Ukraine. It’s in this quote:

    Ukraine would have promised not to join NATO, and Russia would have withdrawn to its prewar boundaries.

    “withdrawn to its prewar boundaries” - effectively cedeing the territory it captured back to Ukraine. It fits your definition of “to yield or grant typically by treaty”.

    Then how the fuck do you excuse Russia doing the same.

    I never “excused” Russia doing the same. You put words in my mouth again, just like you do for the rest of the conversation.

  • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.orgtoMemes@lemmy.ml•A new country in the world!
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    3 months ago

    Again, where’s your first-hand account

    Can you explain why all the evidence I’ve linked is not enough?

    It isn’t, linking a resource for finding asylum back to me doesn’t actually do it say anything and “nuh uh” isn’t a defense anyone but a child should be using.

    What are you talking about? I didn’t link it back to you, I quoted you posting it - and replied that it is not possible to do.

    So you didn’t flee, you fucking moved

    I Ctrl+F my messages and didn’t find myself saying that I fleed. You are the one who started saying this.

    So again, people can leave by your admission.

    By that same logic people can leave North Korea. Is it true? Well yes, some people left North Korea, didn’t they? Yet you probably wouldn’t say that people are free to leave it. Then why are you saying that people can leave Ukraine?..