We need both. Fucking hate binary thinking. It’s a curse.

I’ve already listed several things I’ve done in this thread. You haven’t mentioned a single thing because you spend your time in the dark on your phone eating chips and arguing with people. You aren’t contributing anything, either through individual action or by changing the system.

You certainly know that individual action does not come at the cost of systemic solutions. Thats just horseshit. You aren’t discussing in good faith.

I’ve been doing my best to avoid accusations and ad hominem, but since you don’t really have interest in an honest discussion, I’ll be blunt: you are transparent, and obviously just too lazy and undisciplined to do anything personal about the situation, and want daddy authority figure and some tech god to fix everyone for you so you can go bury your head back in video games and burgers. Have a nice day.

All I’ve done is suggest that individual action is important along with systemic change and you’ve done nothing but get on my case and label me. It’s not one or the other. This sort of binary thinking is the stupidity that is driving this world over the edge.

In any case, you claim that systemic change is the way. Please tell me how you are working on that. Let me sit down and strap in…

Dance with words all you want. I’m personally doing as much as I can to reduce my environmental footprint. You are just blowing hot air.

I’m lost huh? Tell me what you’ve done to help move the needle.

And also because of the billions of individuals such as yourself that decided it was hopeless.

Anything but individual action is magic and flowery language. A system, a group, a corporation, an institution is made of individuals. How does ANY action start if not initiated by individuals? I will concede that cleaning up your own behavior may not move the needle much, but changing “the system” still requires individuals to take actions. What are you waiting for? Some magical hive mind to fix things?

Sure. Change your own scope that you control, and simultaneously work to change the system. But there is more than one system. Not just government systems. But also mental/social systems, for instance the meme that individual actions don’t amount to much. Imagine if everyone started believing their individual actions mattered.

What are countries and the world but a large group of individuals

Went vegan. Got 35 solar cells. Replaced lawn with native plants. Work from home. Spending a lot of time advocating online and to friends and family. Raising kids as environmentalists.

Gotta do both.

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