I agree with you, and it’s also a shame that Democrats are writing their family off instead of deprogramming in a non-hateful way. You’d be surprised how Trump supporting relatives can get onboard with socialized medicine, by just talking to them as if they’re not monsters. That’s something a lot of the fucking idiots here on LW could benefit from, instead of yelling “bigot” while acting like a bigot themselves.
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That’s entirely different, and valid. I’m sorry for your friends who went through that, and it’s something I understand myself. My own mother, who passed away recently, is someone I had cut off for decades due to a very long list of emotional and physical abuses I myself suffered at her hands. In no way I was implying that abuse should be tolerated nor expected. That being said, there was room for a limited form of relationship when she as a much older person apologized, and expressed a desire to repair the relationship and make a meaningful change. I got to see a different side to her as a result for 3 years.
Now to say that you cut family off because of how they vote, is to me, entirely absurd. Either they’re misinformed, or obtuse, and in some cases sure, abusive. But cutting family off because they share a different political viewpoint, that’s what I’m calling reprehensible.
Also, don’t fucking assume shit, I’ve been through the hell your friends have been through directly, and know it all too well. People who snivel about sensitive feelings when they have absolutely no idea, are best giving some benefit of the doubt, which is something extremists on both sides of the politics could stand to improve.
At the end of the day (or life), your mother/father was and forever have been, your mother and father. Family is immutable, giving up is reprehensible.
What makes you think we haven’t tried talking to them? Often times that detail is left out, and what you see or hear about is how they just don’t talk anymore.
Politics change, but blood is thicker than water. The way people are writing off family instead of just talking to them is awful.
Dunno but he sure looks salty while playing it off that he’s having a good time being there.
There are rare instances where people don’t hate and despise their job and bosses. Rare, but in your case, it does happen. For the vast majority of us we’d afford nutritious food, get in to see a medical professional, and afford a home…while loud-quitting and telling the boss to fuck himself.
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Well, I’m glad you’re here. I don’t see the same level of shitty users that you have on here but that’s really because I don’t participate very much because of how I was treated on Reddit, so for me it’s like a social conditioning based on always having the “wrong opinion” relative to the hivemind.
I wish they weren’t shitty and awful to you, when I read your comments and saw the downvotes, it looks like you fell into a case of not following the community’s populist opinion. You got downvoted the hell out of, but nobody wanted to really engage or talk to you about it. I’m so glad there’s no karma here at least.
I’m really sorry man, first off thank you for being a veteran, and your story carries weight. Your dad making that statement is a terrible thing. Nobody should be doing that, especially when you’re voting with your conscience. There’s no need for “with us or against us” absolutes, and the common ground between people is there. People just tap into being told how to think, the rhetoric, and absolutes that don’t need to define us. A large part of conservatives I talk to aren’t actually anti immigration, they just say shit like “they need to do it legally” to which I ask them “Do you have any idea what legally means, and how long it takes?”.
I think back to the mass influx of immigrants that had to come by Ellis Island in the late 19th century, and how wide open the country was back then, to which those people built a nation and powered through racism of a different nature back then. The whole history of “I don’t hire Irish” and the “black Irish”, or even how Potter derisively refers to “garlic eaters” in “It’s a Wonderful Life” shows the long history of harshness towards immigrants in this country yet the best of times were built by immigrants themselves. When conservatives hear this stuff, they deprogram and become pro-immigration, but then realize how shitty our legal process is. I hope that some of them can hear this type of thing and start advocating for the right kind of change instead of treating humans as lesser for factors they have zero control over, like where they’re born.
I don’t know you or your family, but that you stood by your wife and kids after serving a country with ungrateful parts is beyond commendable and a show of your awesome character. Respect, sir, I truly hope you and your family are well, and I wish more people could demonstrate the compassion you and yours deserve.