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  • I havent claimed to be an expert I have asked for support to claim that America’s education system is terrible as was inferred. You linked me a high view course with many different topics and have not given any indication that you know about this topic.

    You speak in generalities and tell me to find out the specifics for myself. If you asked me questions about my field in computer science I would be specific and try to be helpful for someone wanting to learn more about it.

    Yes I am lacking knowledge on this topic. But I have a brain and when I see someone disparage a country’s education system based off of a single percentage statistic I’m allowed to shit on it. The onus in on the person who makes a claim.


  • We can’t trust anyone as an authority when users are anonymous. All claims are subject to the burden of providing supporting documentation.

    Not questioning claims simply because they jive with the general sentiment that America is the worst is deluded.

    You can assert whatever you want.

    Why is it that every time I take a moment to check on the information presented i find that american literacy is consistent over time and with other countries? Figure 14-1 page 46.

    https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2016/2016100.pdf#[{"num"%3A212%2C"gen"%3A0}%2C{"name"%3A"XYZ"}%2C0%2C792%2C0]

    I don’t have time to look at studies on this. But I’m not asserting beyond doubt that I’m right. I just haven’t gotten any supporting documentation from you or OP to support the idea that american education is terrible like he casually infers with a partially relevant statistic.





  • I’m seeing the opposite ideology as destructive though. Working with each other and the system to affect change is surely better than entrenching and dividing? You are saying it’s bad to believe we can make the world a better place? What is more effective than believing that your country can do better? Shouldn’t we be talking to each other instead of downvoting and blocking each other?

    I don’t understand much about what you want because you aren’t talking about it. You just insult me.


  • We have some degree of equality and freedom to maintain, even if it’s not utopian. I’m not sure what preferable alternative exists to vigilance.

    You are continuing to attack me because I talk differently than you? I am trying to be diplomatic. This is me.


  • So first of all, thank you for the civil discussion because that is the biggest lacking quality of scored comment sections like this site. It seems like discussion always brings details that are helpful when we are condemning an entire country with little information provided. This is why I like discussion and not militant downvoting and personal attacks.

    I truly have no narrative here but I just searched for immigrant literacy and the first thing I found:

    “41 percent of immigrants score at or below the lowest level of English literacy — a level variously described as “below basic” or “functional illiteracy”.”

    https://cis.org/Immigrant-Literacy-Self-Assessment-vs-Reality

    Thank you for the info and sources. I do have time to watch the lecture, and will.


  • It’s a nice graphic for sure. I think what I’m trying to say is that while we must practice vigilance to maintain equality and freedom, we carry out these obligations so that we can enjoy our lives.

    I don’t understand what I’ve done to be a target for your activism. I’m not a bad person. It’s relevant to point out that lower literacy might not be a failing of our education system as the statistic implies.


  • Not everything is political. All we have is each other and we can choose to be kind. There’s a lot of anger here and I can’t know where it’s coming from so I won’t try to assume anything about you. I just don’t appreciate you telling me I’m racist for saying America has a lot of immigration. Its not okay. You are assuming more about me than is fair.



  • SamboT@lemm.eetoMemes@lemmy.mlThat's unfortunate
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    If I thought it was failing of character to be illiterate then you could maybe say I was blaming immigrants. I think it’s a lot harder to uproot your life and risk it all to bring your family where the grass is greener than it is to learn your ABC’s.

    Why do you assume immigrants are brown? Because you are probably right. That’s okay.

    It’s okay to have a lower literacy rate if our country is helping people have better lives. It’s okay that discussions of immigration and nationality sometimes involve ethnicities. It just makes sense that those qualities are discussed and related.

    It’s also okay if american school systems need to improve. I promise everything will be okay.


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    Yes I did edit my comment lol. We do have a lot of immigrants that may come from poorer countries in search of a better life. Whats wrong with that? How do you know I’m not specifically proud of that for my country? You are the one implying Americans are less-than because of some statistic.

    When you are so militant with discussions, how will you ever come to an understanding? Why be so mean?


  • Could first/second generation immigrants born in the US be more likely to be illiterate? Is the American education system simply bad at teaching kids to read? No idea.

    I just have a compulsive personal issue with people using data like they are justified to say they know what causes the statistic they quote. I realize social media is more of a way for people to get a little dopamine instead of trying to understand the world but I’m okay getting downvoted to add context lol.