Maoo [none/use name]

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  • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.nettoMemes@lemmy.mlWhy would socialism do this?
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    6 months ago

    There was no issue re: nuance in your statements, they were just nonsensical and revealed a lack of understand the basic ideas of the topic. This trend has continued with this reply.

    The DDR was socialist. However, it was state socialism, which in my opinion is not ideal and not something we should strive to replicate.

    The framing of socialism as ownership of the means of production goes hand-in-hand with control over the state. It’s how it was originally formulated by Marx, Engels, etc. The term “dictatorship of the proletariat” is stated in the same breaths and texts and concepts. There is no such thing as non-state socialism in this conception, the only conception that is relevant to this discussion.

    This is something a person would know if they had ever read even a basic summary of this topic.

    Yes, the means of production were “owned by the people,” but the state tasks itself with protecting the people. And therein lies the problem with state socialism - the state is easily commandeered by a corrupt minority who then uses the governmental apparatus to run an authoritarian regime.

    You’re even using the liberal NGO lexicon for this description! Vague generalizations about authoritarianism and cute little stories with no grounding in reality.

    We should be able to recognize the imperfections in prior socialist attempts, without immediately calling it “capitalist NGO propaganda.”

    It’s not hard to identify a poor understanding when you have, you know, actually learned about these things. And interacted with thousands of people just like you and know why they parrot such nonsense. If you had an informed or valid criticism that would be something to talk about, but we are not in that situation. I think we are looking at a graduate of Reddit University, with all the intellectual humility that implies.



  • The USSR was a communist country. A normal use of that term is that a country communist is one that’s run by a communist party.

    If you mean it didn’t achieve communism, well duh communism is a hypothesized society achieved through socialism where the state ceases to exist. No socialists, including the people of the USSR, would think that their nation-state has achieved communism as that’s oxymoronic. They would think of it as a transitional socialist state.






  • I find it completely unreasonable to request a peace talk whilst in a neighboring sovereign nation invading.

    You have a very funny idea about the realities of war. By your logic most could never end. Wars are resolved through diplomacy or full collapse and loss. Your sociopathic ideas about what is “reasonable” devalues the lives and well-being of Ukrainians living through war.

    This is liberal “moral victory” nonsense that no serious person believes.

    That’s lunacy to think Ukrainians are being the unreasonable ones here in regards to a peace talk.

    Thank you for conceding my point and implicitly retracting the claim I replied to.



  • Im no fan of US imperialism, but you all conveniently leave out the alternative to NATO aid in Ukraine right now.

    Nope it’s mentioned all the time: diplomacy, peace talks, and to make that even possible, establish legitimacy by abiding by your own agreements. The undermining of all of these things has been discussed at length. They don’t really need to be rehashed in our spaces for the benefit of new people that don’t ask questions, though.

    Without NATO aid, Ukraine will just plainly be taken over by Purine Russia.

    lol RF could take over UA any time they wanted to if they took the NATO approach of completely destroying civilian life and essential resources via bombing. Military “aid” to Ukraine just keeps Ukrainian soldiers getting killed en masse, which is characterized by Russia as their compromise version of Denazification.

    As far as Im concerned, Putins expansion is really helping NATOs by giving them a justification to exist

    NATO obviously requires no credible justification to exist. This doesn’t matter.