Technologic.

Great movie, BTW. What a concept!

Which side did you fall onto, the people keeping the evil at bay, or the ones fighting to live even if it meant the end of the world?

100%

There’s absolutely ground to wriggle on here. Maybe let’s try to make up a society where this is okay.

I would like to assume in this “perfectly ok to do this society” that the choice is fully open and known to all. As in all people in the society are subject to it. Like a complete random draw.

But then what about innocent people? I would define an innocent as a person who is sinless or hasn’t broken the law. Maybe if you try to do something evil you’re pardoned from this choice? That doesn’t seem right because everyone would do the least minor thing to be considered evil. And children or the neuro diverse might be left out on a huge disadvantage because how would they know what to do to be considered skippable.

Maybe it’s an external force working to destroy the planet. Someone has to be killed to stop it. So maybe innocent could just mean has no power over the process, no ability to affect it, no way to be skipped. If it’s seen that way, I would be kind of satisfied.

How often does this happen? Once a year? A decade? Every day? Eesh what a thought. What would society be like knowing that you might be randomly chosen to just end on a daily basis. It’d be like winning the anti-lottery.

If someone was chosen, in my model, they would be made known to the planet a while ahead of time, maybe 24 hours. And they would be given a huge life altering sum of money to do with however they please prior to being un-alived. Give it to their family, a charity, whatever.

Their name would be known as a hero of some sort, even if unwillingly so.

The death/torture can’t be painless, as the hypothetical implies so maybe there can be like a time limit here? Is this a long time torture thing? That sounds horrible.

Right now, if really feels like I’m trying to make my least favorite thing slightly palatable somehow.

While I see your point, I don’t ascribe to the nihilistic point of view that life has no meaning therefore no reason. I find it dark and disheartening. To me, the fact that we can even have this conversation is a miracle and there’s a certain happiness I get from knowing that despite my suffering and yours, we are still strangers who can engage in a conversation and have fun with it (I hope this is how you feel, too!).

I’m more of an absurdist. While there may be no end to the suffering, we can still derive pleasure and satisfaction from life. We can enjoy it if we want find ways to, because that’s our natural desire, to seek happiness.

If you want to try looking at life like that, then this question becomes MUCH more interesting. Because despite suffering, this society found a way to continue. The question of whether or not it’s moral, or how it’s moral, depends on if life has meaning.

All questions kind of depend on that, no?

I would say “life is a struggle”. Of course it’s challenging, it doesn’t mean that it’s bad.

Regardless, what’s your point?

So everyone including the innocent just ends?

Because regardless of the choice. Innocent people will die.

It’s how quickly you want that to happen I think is what we’re going after.

Is this voluntary? Is it random? Is the person truly innocent? Is this person known or will be remembered? Is it a child? Is the world aware?

I have a ton of questions that lean onto the “slow” side of things.

But I think it’s too easy to say “nope, just end it”.

Not really. It’s more like:

Everyone ending

One innocent ending to keep everyone else alive

That’s more challenging.

That’s pricey.

“Free Open Source Software”

I think.

Sync is the odd man out because even though it’s free to use, it’s ad driven, and then there’s a yearly subscription service for no ads.

Honestly, it’s a good app with a good developer. If supporting good work is your thing, I see no reason to use it free or with subscription. It supports him, and if you don’t like it…you always have FOSS apps which arent as polished but completely free.

FOSS apps are important because they’ll always be the standard of “acceptable” and alternative apps MUST be better if they want you to give up your hard earned time and money for it.

Just take a look at Reddit.

For sure the quantity of posts is the same, but the quality has gone down.

You can just feel it all over. My frontpage has little to no good topics anymore. I used to peruse for at least 30 mins easily losing myself. I barely get 5 now before getting irritated with the low effort material.

Absolutely this.

Too few role models on how to act like a well-adjusted and reasonable person. When the smallest social misconduct happens today it’s like people want to either explode into a fit of rage or implode into this crying mess.

Getting a good eye on priority comes from socializing out in the world and or volunteering your time and energy for something that doesn’t pay you money but helps someone in need. It can teach so much at such a young age because you’re surrounded by some of the best and worst people you’ll ever meet.

Anybody else hearing the words in that screechy voice?

Daily commuting can also go.

They’ve really come a long way. The one near me has gaming rooms for computers now. Free DVD rental, there’s a tea lounge, etc.

Constantly reinventing themselves.

Amen to that

I think the trick is knowing that all of us are in it together and even the most ‘regular/typical’ of us have our demons.

Love and kindness, even a little bit to each individual, goes a long way to helping everyone.

At least it was quick.

Yeah, totally on purpose. This was a long time ago and mental health wasn’t taken as seriously as it is now. Today it would have been called PTSD and he would have gotten help had he been born 20 years later.

You know poison control hotlines? EMTs on the scene had to call them for advise. So if the local poison control center doesn’t know the answer right away, they have to call the next higher one which is like for the eastern half of the USA. They didn’t know either and had to call up to the one which was in charge of the whole country.

Poison control toxicologists move fast. They know alot and have alot of resources on hand in case they dont. I guess this was one of the first times they had ever heard of ingestion of chemicals from a fire extinguisher in the country.

By the time it got up to national level, which was only a few minutes, the guy was gone. Autopsy basically showed the dudes lung was stone. Everything down to alevoli was filled completely.

Damn right there are better ways. Must have been scary as hell for everyone.

On a serious note (tada), there was a suicide in my town with a fire extinguisher. Guy turned his lungs to stone instantly inhaling the contents.

But jazz is great.