The podcast Chapo Trap House basically disowned r/chapotraphouse, so pretty much for the poisoned irony getting out of hand.

It feels like r/the_donald, which was also irony, until it wasn’t, and suddenly the internet is swarmed with “ironic” Trump memes until he wins the actual presidency, stacks SCOTUS, which rolls back RvW.

Maybe 10 years ago I would be down with all this irony. But there are real life consequences harming women right now, that are not so ironic.

It’s time to wake up, grow up, pay attention to the consequences and decide if irony and chaos is worth incidentally supporting fascism.

Aha thank you! That’s definitely one of the threads I was looking for, although the particular “vote Trump” plus comments I haven’t found yet.

I’m trying to look up the thread. I think my instance might have defederated, I can’t find my comments.

*make sure it’s sincere though

Ick.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/26/990274685/how-extremists-weaponize-irony-to-spread-hate

So it sounds like the plan is support fascism, for what? To sacrifice who knows how many women, trans people, genderqueer people, POC, just so after society falls there possibly might be a Hail Mary throw at achieving communism?

A huge portion of hexbear users are trans or otherwise LGBTQ. Ask them what they think fascists want to do to them.

Maybe I should ask Jessica Watkins, who explicitly supported fascists, and is now being misgendered and put in the wrong prison by fascists, for supporting fascists.

Trans and genderqueer people can be just as stupid as Cishet people and vote for the leapords eating faces party. It’s not like fascism actually benefits people, it’s predatory to vulnerable people.

You should consider talking to them, instead of making things up about them in an authoritative tone of voice.

I have interacted quite a bit already. I got lots of animal poop pictures and a lot of people requesting that I post a picture of my genitalia.

You’ll be hard-pressed to find a hexbear user who doesn’t want Trump dead or in jail.

I’ve seen a number of comments from Hexbears supporting DJT and not a single comment expressing this.

** And take notice that while ML’s claim to not support Russia, they’ll often jump to Russia’s defense, despite Russia funding alt-right and neo-Nazi movements in America

I’m all for Marxism, but I haven’t observed the “body of economic theory” having any relevance, except as a snooby self-righteous justification for authoritarianism and violence.

Even if you were to strip all moral interpretation away, violence and authoritarianism is unstable and ineffective. ML’s in practice are fake progressives, because they don’t even care for finding a stable effective solution. The progression of society is no longer the point.

Basically the only difference between ML and the alt-right is that the alt-right wants violence against “libtards”, and ML’s want violence against “shitlibs”, while being insufferably snobby about pretending to be morally superior because they didn’t use an abliest slur.

It’s like you just took a fascist and put them on a liberal’s moral high horse.

Yeah, well when Hexbear hears that wives and daughters are being raped and says “giving Ukrainians weapons to help them defend their families from being raped is bad for worker solidarity”, it makes Hexbear look like a bunch of rape apologizists.

They evaluate policy decisions against “does this bring the working class closer to solidarity or not”.

When it comes to Russia bombing their cities and raping their women and children, is that positively or negatively influencing working class solidarity?

On hexbear, geopolitics exists as whatever hexbears feel like owns the shitlibs the most at that particular moment.

Sometimes, Russia is just months away from a well planned and strategized victory, against an evil Nazi Ukraine.

Other times, everything is a mastermind NATO move that’s all benefiting NATO, and Ukraine is just the meatgrinder victim.

What feels most alt-right about hexbear isn’t any particular position, but the fact that there’s no particular position. No logical cohesiveness, no rooted in solid reality. It’s superfluid ever changing dream reality.

This is the take that bothers me the most, as if the most aggressive and outspoken faction of any group exist only to drag the more respectable members down by association.

Eh, only a small minority of hexbears are fascists, but almost all hexbears tolerate fascists. All the fascists have to do is walk in and say “NATO is bad, Ukraine is bad, libs are bad, vote for Trump because he is a big lovable goofball” and the other hexbears are like aight let’s own the shitlibs.

Tankies and Nazis in the US are both vehemently anti-NATO.

Interestingly for the complete opposite reasons. Tankies think NATO makes profit, Nazis think it’s a wasteful expense.

Lol, for all their enthusiastic talk about “let’s go dunk on the libs”, that sure happened quickly.

I’ve lived in very poor, rural, white American places, and it’s unironically all about skin color.

White and poor? It’s because the Democrats illegally steal your money with taxes, and any welfare is just you getting back less than you deserve.

Black and poor? It’s because you’re bad, and any welfare is the Democrats buying your vote and supporting you destroying the country with your violence.

c/uselessredcircle

Oh yeah, there’s a huge difference between tankies and fascists. Tankies are 10,000% better.

Suppose my only two choices in a vote were between a tankie that punched me in the face and slept with my mother, and a fascist. I would not just vote for the tankie, I would also donate money, canvas for them, and tell all my friends to vote for them.

I think it’s just an online problem, anybody who gets radicalized in an echo chamber loses the plot of their own cause. It’s just optics.

Look at that, you took two unrelated parts and stripped out all of the context.

That’s what we call bad-faith trolling.

Tankies can be ideologically diametrically opposed to alt-right fascists, yet use the same techniques. For example, they both love bad-faith trolling.

The double sets of pronouns and neopronouns, at first glance, made it look like a satire of gender inclusivity to me.

And after some experience with them it’s clear that it isn’t satire, and they highly value gender inclusivity. My opinion now is that the apparent absurdity is a loyalty test. If you think fae/faer pronouns are silly, you aren’t an “ally” and you are immediately identified as out-group. And the out-group, transpobes, liberals, fascists, all get lumped together so much they can’t distinguish between them.

It’s pretty much exactly what the right wing does. They can’t distinguish between liberals, leftists, tankies, or anarchists, because it’s all just “the enemy” to them.

I do not like tankies but I have absolutely never experienced this, all tankies typically want to do is discuss theory and history to the point that it’s exhausting. Have you talked to any Trotskyists??

I have almost no experience with tankies tbh, so I’ll be the first to say my opinions of them comes mostly from ignorance.

But so far I’ve heard that a “nuanced understanding of geopolitics and history” means you think “NATO made Putin do it”.

My take is that he’s another normie that can’t easily distinguish between trump/russia troll farms and tankies.