Removed by mod

Sucks getting a taste of your own medicine eh? Let me know when that place gets so bad you decide it’s worth F’ing off out of it for good.

If you say anything bad about linux, or star trek, or github, you get downvoted to hell

If not simply moderated out of the community because ‘fostering dialogue is an important goal’.

I know this hell all too well. My Setter finds a cat hiding in bushes about once a week so every bush within leash range MUST be examined no matter the weather, tension on the leash, or exhaustion level (his or mine).

What are you looking at because the instance list shows lemmy.ml using a Beta version, and isn’t the only one.

Dozens are using 19.5 which appears to be the latest stable version. Consider a couple of recent stable versions caused a lot of headaches for users and admins I think waiting to see if a newer ‘stable’ version is actually stable, let alone volunteering to test experimental versions in situ is prudent.

Do you hear yourself? You even point out he implemented a Muslim ban. Clearly, the side you should be supporting. No reason to think otherwise. Nope.

This astute logic brought to you by a person that thinks insulting the people they need the support of is a good idea.

Here’s some more reading for you.

It’s not a matter of ‘being upset with a moderator’s decision’. Moderators are overstepping their mandate and it is a problem. Say something rude? Banned? Fine. Obviously against the rules. Politely say anything a core clique in that community disagrees with, factual or not, and there’s a non-zero chance you get your comment deleted at best because a mod+ disagrees, and it happens way too often.

But how is that different from any other website?

In other places there are extrinsic factors that influence how moderation is done. Reddit for example is concerned first and foremost with ensuring it is a place Ad agencies are comfortable working with. Reddit would strip moderators of their roles specifically because they weren’t doing their job right, and upsetting the community or ad agencies. More to the point: they have a Code of Conduct that is standardized for the ENTIRE platform. (AFAICT the problem with the mods being so problematic here is likely due to this mass exodus of incompetent mods from Reddit, but that is a hypothesis that needs further testing and out of my ability to research.)

At best this whole problem is that the Mods can’t be bothered to actually investigate reports, likely due to inadequate mod tools. Someone reports misinformation, or a troll, or rudeness and the accused gets punished with zero thought as to the veracity of the claim. I do not think that is it though. There are a couple mods who have a MO of abusing mod powers after verbally abusing a user just to get the final word, at least that I am aware of or experienced first hand.

And finally, I find the argument to ‘join the cartel of corrupt Mods if you don’t like it’… counterproductive. I personally do not want full control of moderation. I want moderation to be regulated/standardized because Lemmy atm is very much like the Old West.

Really, I need citations for a post that already provides an example? Just pick a server and look at the modlogs keyword: misinfo. Here’s a salient example:

Luckily then they’re not the “arbiters of truth” for the platform…

That’s actually a part of the problem. The complete lack of responsibility or accountability for anyone on here. Like it or not all it takes is a handful of self-righteous admins to ruin it for the entire platform. What you tout as a Good is quite the opposite in the long run.

That’s besides the point. Censorships on Lemmy is rampant and borderline oppressive. Posting an inoffensive news article in a forum that automatically allows the community to evaluate a 3rd party’s criticism(s) of that agencies credibility should be more than sufficient.

These non-experts declaring themselves the arbiters of truth is an embarrassment for the platform and need to be dealt with before it gets abandoned.

I even agree that Cradle is shit, but to end any possibility of discussion, in flagrant opposition to Lemmy’s ENTIRE PURPOSE just creates empty echo chambers

So it must be the lack of ads, cookies, and AI generated content which makes Google suspicious of it

If your site isn’t integrated with Google’s Adsense infrastructure it is immediately at a disadvantage as Google won’t scan your site anywhere near as often, and even when it does will put the results way below anything else that does. It’s not that it finds your site suspicious, it is simply incentivized to really look hard at all the other sites paying for service.

The more I spend time on Lemmy, the more I think it is in a lot of trouble. There are many serious issues that need to be addressed and I don’t see how most of them can be.

Federation is touted as a Good, but has many drawbacks. Privacy (as listed in this post for example) for one, instead of algorithm curated/focused content federated servers each enforce (subconsciously or overtly) a theme, rampant user generation off multiple servers rendering moderation pointless, and so on.

Then there is the rampant issue of moderation abuse. It seems that the only reason to be a moderator is to not be annoyed at other people forcing their opinions on you. This reminder that admins/mods get yet another way to subject the users to their biases is the nail in the coffin IMO. “You vote this way? Banned because my feelings matter more”.

Privacy is important for a lot of people and that is impossible to get on Lemmy unless something drastically changes, but it doesn’t sound like this is will ever happen. The people that can see your data is not under your control at all and I think this fact alone will never allow Lemmy to grow to a place we can be happy with.

If admins can see data without limits, everyone should be able to. All 5 of us once that realization sinks in.

;tldr I don’t think even admins should see peoples data but that seems impossible so…

Some of you PC’s may have to die, but that is a price my kitters are willing to pay.

Just because they say the Democrats support Israel less than them doesn’t make it true

This, this right here. When someone tells you who they are… believe them.

Like, in what world can you say “just because they say they will be worse, have a huge religio-fascist base they are catering too, and have demonstrated with their declared policies and voting behaviour that they would… doesn’t mean they will ahktuallllly be worse”. Like, WTF are you even arguing here at this point?

You’re basically saying that I’m not worth arguing with if I don’t already agree with you on the thing we’re arguing about. If that isn’t bad faith, I don’t know what is.

That wasn’t what I was saying. I was saying you aren’t worth arguing with because you wouldn’t even admit they said they would be worse. Now that you have (see previous point), the ridiculousness of your stance is obvious.

smug attitude, as well as wishing harm on me

Now who’s lying hmm?

Weather or not you respond, I’m done here.

We agree. You are done like dinner here.

Your argument sits on what ifs with no basis in reality.

Okay you are clearly refusing to face facts. Whatever the Dems do, the Reps say ‘they should have done more’. You are fixated on the Dems being the ones signing solely because they are in power when the Reps ENTIRE FUCKING PLATFORM is that Israel needs more support. You aren’t arguing in good faith and just repeating the same tired ‘Dems did bad stuff tho’ instead of acknowledging that the Reps would absolutely do worse, in their own words, supported by their own actions, happily. This unwillingness to get beyond past wrongs to see how you’re own myopic actions only make things worse is a running theme with the Anti-Zionists so I guess in a way this is my fault for trying to educate the unwilling.

Don’t listen. Keep sawing away at that nose. You aren’t worth arguing with at this point unless you agree the Reps outright say they want to do more for Israel than the Dems have and admit the only reason they haven’t is solely because they aren’t in power. We’ll just have to wait for the Rep leopards to be voted in and start eating your faces. At which point the metaphorical screams of pain will be little consolation.

Saying something doesn’t make it true. I’ve done nothing but provide evidence the Republicans are worse, in their own words, if you’d read it. I notice you didn’t address that at all. The very fact you say ‘no, the Dems are worse’ proves you support republicans because at this point it is one or the other. There is no plausible 3rd choice. That is the crux of American politics you fail to grasp and try to conceal by calling me a liar.

Throwing a tantrum because the Dems are technically the ones in power and so you place all the blame on them is weak tea. It’s not even close. The House vote Republicans initiated to force the Dems to stop delaying the release of weapon shipments had 16 Dems vote for it, versus 208 Reps. Press releases by Republican Senators calling the Dems “weak Palestinians” in a blatantly racist attempt to belittle their hesitation. What the Fuck more do you need? Them to get into power and start invading Palestine with American troops? Get a clue, come on.

Here is just a taste of the people you are naively putting your hopes in. I already said the Dems are the lesser evil. Beating your chest and pointing it out isn’t moving the argument forward. The evidence is overwhelmingly clear the Reps are not simply just unsympathetic but hostile to anti-zionists.

You are holding a shitty hand and everyone knows it. Threatening to go all in on the Reps is going to get called every time. All you can do now is fold, hope your chips go to the almost sympathetic Dems, and start playing the next hand dealt.

Meanwhile… back in reality

“This is how the Republican Party became so strongly pro-Israel”

Biden dropping out is all the proof you need that he doesn’t care at all anymore about voting pressure.

You are cutting off your nose to spite your face bitching about the lesser of 2 evils.