Everyone’s fleshed out a lot of the discussions so I’ll just bullet point my opinion to try to better explain the discourse I’m seeing on here

• I view “Lemmy” like it’s a Community Center with group discussions, Community gatherings, and/or lectures with public comments. If you’re in the crowd “Booing” (downvoting) without standing up and making your position clear, you’re not adding anything to the discussion.

• Downvote/Upvote is not like “Booth Voting” at all. You have ONE vote in a democracy, that’s the core principle. You don’t vote Yes for a candidate then vote No for another. You don’t see a ticker above the booth tallying everyone’s vote that was before you (voter manipulation, why hidden scores became a thing).

• I think this would go over a lot better if mods had the choice of how to present the votes. Opt in or out of showing voters, opt in or out of showing scores or eliminating downvotes or even upvotes if you want. Give the power to the community and create useful tools for mods to try out.

You keep getting heated and bringing up other things that aren’t equated trying to make some type of metaphor and it’s not connecting for me so I apologize if you’re getting frustrated. I don’t see the social-score and “you have nothing to hide” being a valid argument that pertains to this discussion and just fear mongering distracting from a simple forum mechanic and a system of interacting with it.

I think the upvote/downvote system is abused by the general user by default when it comes to anonymity and many more are tempted as time progresses. When you’re in a crowd you don’t boo or cheer anonymously, it’s an open public space where people see your actions. More accountability to the people interacting with a system seems like a positive to me.

In regards to the security/protection thing, others have already chimed in and hopefully you understand the data is already tracked and available to those who have a desire for it. My relevant parts where I talked about it before

You are not private or anonymous on here, if your actions on this platform put you in danger than do not continue to interact thinking it’s completely safe! These things can already be seen, this discussion is about making it show up in every UI by default instead.

Again, please stop saying this removes protections for trans/gay. That information is already public and you’re making it seem like they are currently safe versus what this change would do to them. The blocking scenario is what happens now, you just wouldn’t know they made a new account unless you’re actually able to see it. IDK why you brought video games into this, more often it’s for cheats as trolls and harassment get left unchecked on a lot of platforms. If votes don’t matter now why not change it to a form where they do matter?

If I disagree with something I’ll usually comment or upvote someone who has the same sentiment. I try my best not to petty downvote anything and I don’t understand why you’re stating you have to declare why you upvote, it’s something you find as a contribution, already defined for an intended purpose. This doesn’t take away any meaningful engagement besides mass voting in your scenario, people will still comment who have something to say. I think we just see two different sides of the aisle lol, ty for the discussion btw.

Gah, way to take it to extreme. You are not private or anonymous on here, if your actions on this platform put you in danger than do not continue to interact thinking it’s completely safe! These things can already be seen, this discussion is about making it show up in every UI by default instead.

If someone is going through your history and downvoting in a harassing way, just block them. They’re not there for discussion and the problem is solved. Without seeing a repeat offender you’ll never know and the harassment can continue. I see discussions being more open honestly, you actually have to take a second to think about your downvote instead of just gut reacting it.

I agree it would lead to less interaction, but the interaction lost would only be downvotes being used as a disagree button. No one is going to get harassed for downvoting a bot posting an ad or someone just completely off-topic, that which the downvote is suppose to be used for. In your scenario you point out that the comments you seek out have so many upvotes-downvotes because it’s controversial, not that it doesn’t add to the discussion.

I saw some other’s commenting about “private ballot boxes” but I think that’s a false equivalency. You Vote in a democracy on policy and representation, not discourse. You’re basically saying your upvote/downvote is being used to police conversation and who you think best represents you.

I’ve been looking for someone to touch on this. I didn’t like youtube getting rid of the downvotes but…what did it change? The only incidents I can think of is when there’s vote bombing on a really bad video. Lemmynsfw got rid of downvotes and they’re better for it. The only exception I can think of is a technical video that is just factually wrong but then there’s always a comment highlighting that with upvotes. Seems like the only thing we lost was sensational downvoting and the thrill of jumping on a like-minded group dislike.

I thought the whole argument was the internet was an echo chamber because of it being anonymous. Look at right-wing groups that employ masks where they can hide their true intentions behind “just being normal citizens”. It’s the groups like “Moms for Liberty” that are outed for their corruption because they have to use a public face during council meetings and such where you can’t be anonymous.

I’m having trouble seeing how downvotes being public would lead to more harassment. You would have to make sure you’re comfortable with putting your opinion forward just like with commenting. If there’s someone going around downvoting someone relentlessly it will be brought to light for all to see, not hidden like it is now. That would encourage more people to speak up because their detractors would have to do so publicly and without explanation they seem like they’re not bringing anything to the table in the discussion (returning downvotes to their true intention in the process).

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Holy crap that game development sounds like it had a really tough time and brought upon by the inexperience like you said. Found some conversations with the co-founder after the game was cancelled

the game did not retain enough players to have any hope of becoming a business and it wasn’t a question of marketing - any money we spent on marketing would have been wasted…

it was not growing organically in alpha people would come in, and play for a bit, and then quit … i’m not even saying we needed high growth like, remember when the alpha launched we had something like 500-1000 people online the first several days … but 4 weeks later we were nowhere near 500-1000 the kind of business we bet the company on requires a game like, say, tf2, where its what, 9 years old or something and there’s still hundreds of thousands of players and it probably hasn’t had a single dollar of marketing spend

Absolutely crazy and absurd level of expectations lol. I imagine there wasn’t a single PR or marketing person in the company that could explain to them why. Seems like a lot of hubris which stopped them from finishing the development process and wanted immediate success and fandom.

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Without knowing any details I can only speculate but 10 years is a lot of time to refine your experience and expertise in a field. Do you remember what game it was and why it didn’t amount to anything?

Imagine my surprise to see you in here talking about LW centralization isn’t good. You came onto a support question (link) for a community I had started with one of my concerns being the LW centralization and you quickly told me to abandon my community. Extremely weird considering you run a generic fantasy community which already exists in many places so felt a little kettle/pot.

Luckily my energy company found a way around all of this to always charge more! We have “Basic Customer Charge”, “Summary of Rider Adjustments”, “Renewable Energy Rider”, and then Sales Tax on all of it. My base charge is over 100$ before they start calculating your actually energy usage. Yay electrical monopolies!

Thank you for the common sense response, it hadn’t clicked but I think this was my problem. The format of the spreadsheet and trying to make it work for my purposes just made me stop everytime I attempted it. This identified my problem I believe and now I can look into other options. As other’s have said, I probably could get it to work for my purposes but learning and understanding all the tools with the program just isn’t worth it for this one singular reason.

Holy crud, that’s a new hot take. Changes that occur over decades and because of different living conditions doesn’t account to “oscillating” if you actually read my comments. Also, you’ve apparently never lived with multiple people and a large pantry, this is just basic organization like a linen closet your grandparents had. You didn’t have to label them in the past because usually a singular person was in charge of placing everything (never heard of the husband trope that can’t find anything?).

The difference between what I would “imagine” a good organizational setup to be versus what I’m willing to actually do is a huge gap. If you had any clue about my actual life the compulsion comment would be rather hilarious. I would suggest not looking at a few internet comments and immediately telling someone to seek therapy with an arm-chair diagnosis you’ve deemed responsible, that in itself seems like an unhealthy disorder.

I was at your stage a little over 10 years ago, renting and moving, kids slowly getting more things. Now they’re starting to move out and I’ve purchased a larger run down house that needs to be filled up. There’s some things I regret getting rid of like materials but for the most part I’m happy I don’t have so much to keep track of at the moment. The projects I’ve shelved for some many years are starting to get dusted off again and I’m finally getting back into hobbies and tinkering again. Definitely a good observation on the bluetooth speaker, there’s some things it’s just not worth putting the effort into unless it’s a niche need like a portable cassette player etc. I’m hoping you experience the same thing and get some of that time back in your future to do what you want.

I just do visual inventory for pantry, like there’s a canned meal shelf which has assorted soups or single serve preserved stuff. Same with canned sides (like corn, green beans etc), once a section gets low I just pick a few up to restock it. Used to do pick-up and was useful because I could just walk to the pantry with a tablet and use an app to fill it up. Trying to get away from the whole app-pickup system though. Also have a white board next to the fridge with a constant list we add onto, eventually want to switch that over to a list app so I’m not having to take a picture of it or writing it down to get the things I need at the store.

it’s not so much needing a computer as I’m trying to transition myself into newer and hopefully more efficient systems of data entry and cataloging. I’ve definitely had to take time to find a notebook I’ve misplaced and I type a lot faster than I write so it just makes sense. Looking at what has a certain type of memory I can pull from something not being used anymore is helpful and just fun in my opinion for brainstorming configurations. The past couple of years I’ve received a bunch of new stuff I need to figure out what I’m doing with it so time to streamline it all.

I mean, that’s a sweet position if the safety nets actually helped. Just kinda lame you have the same attitude as a 1%-er about it which just points to trolling. Would rather my taxes go to housing someone than war manufacturing or price gouging by corporate companies.

Currently looking for a new 4x game that will scratch my itch. Been going through tons but they all seem like watered down versions that “simplify” the process. Last game I played was SpaceEmpires (4&5), completely addicting but after over a decade of bugged games I’ve just completely given up on it. Definitely got my playtime out of it though, great game regardless.