• Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      22
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      1 year ago

      Horseshoe theory is bullshit. One side has extremists who burn down cars the other has extremists who burn people. It is not the same.

      • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        1 year ago

        🤔 Isn’t there a logical fallacy that addresses erroneously comparing two things in such a manner? If not, we badly need to make a new one.

          • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            No no, not that one. I think it’s like a genetic fallacy but I am not sure. It’s like when dumbasses say fighting evil is the same as being evil.

            • Bob@feddit.nl
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              I’m quite sure it is, because equivocation often occurs by boiling down two disparate concepts to the same vague and simple description, in this case “using violence against those you disagree with”. Genetic fallacy is guilt by association.

        • gowan@reddthat.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          It is called a false equivalence but you can argue that the extreme left/right are much more inclined to violence without making a false equivalence.

          • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            1 year ago

            Ehh. There are centrists and people from other factions who support violence too, snd extremists who do not. There’s a lot of nuance in the situation

              • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                1 year ago

                Really? The guy who thinks both sides are the same and wants them to kill each other so they’ll all shut the fuck up isn’t a centrist?

                Nonviolence is not a requirement to be a centrist. Believing both the American left and right are the same or very similar, and/or believing in horseshoe theory is all that’s required.

                • gowan@reddthat.com
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  You are adding the bit that they want them to kill each other. That’s not a centrist attitude. The centrist would be asking everyone to try to work together rather than forcing others to toe our specific line.

                  • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    1 year ago

                    That’s simply not how centrism works. Centrism is not and has never been about nonviolence. It has been about viewing the two major factions in the U.S. as the same or similar, and honestly trying to view or portray oneself as superior to both. Nonviolence can be used for such purposes but is not required.

                    I used to be a centrist and know many more than you. I’ve dealt with this crap for decades. I know more about it than you do. I’ve rolled with both factions, and there are many centrists who feel the way they do without the nonviolence. Just because you are a centrist and nonviolent doesn’t mean all centrists have to be nonviolent to be a centrist… but that self - centered way of thinking on your part shows centrism is largely about feeling superior to others.