!piracy@lemmy.ml has also been blocked from lemmy.world.

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Lemmy.world has released an official response.

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    To be honest, it’s not a huge deal. The copyright cartel can easily send dmca requests to your isp just for having text guidelines. Not everyone has the bandwidth or energy to deal with stuff like that.

    I just wish this wasn’t done at the request of a transphobic racist who just did it to get back at is for getting banned for making transphobic and racist communities in this instance.

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      Don’t need lemmy world anyways. This is the most based instance on the entire fediverse. Their loss.

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        One of the most popular instance. This is why federation is necessary and people should create accounts in different servers instead of pulling everyone to one server calling it tge “official” or “main” server

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        At least they blocked a community and not the entire instance. This is how these things should be handled, imo

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      So beehaw was right whey they defederated from .world, there is shadiness there…

      PS: this is one of the best communities in the fediverse, good job.

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        Beehaw’s reasons for defederation were completely unrelated to what’s happening now. They didn’t want the general public to have access to their “safe” community.

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          there’s more to “the general public” besides 2 instances. beehaw defederated from .world and sijw because the mod tooling to handle a huge influx of people isn’t ready, and it still isn’t ready. (and the rest of their defederations are an off the shelf mastodon blocklist import which all instances should do imo and a few explicitly unmoderated instances. oh and porn i think)

          beehaw federates just fine with the instance i’m on, for example.

          if they wanted to defederate completely, lemmy does support allowlist federation, and i’m pretty sure their admins know about it.

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        There’s nothing shady here, just kneejerk and protectionist.

        Beehaw defederated because they they decided they didn’t want to actually moderate their communities. Easier to just screen everyone before letting them join, to weed out people they may potentially disagree with. Ostensibly to filter out hate but only a fool thinks it stops there.

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    Fucking Lemmy.world is hot garbage. They’re down every day and are constantly defederating with any instance that doesn’t fit their narrow, sanitized world views. It’s also one of the most recommended Lemmy’s with more new users going there than anywhere else. I think it incredibly damaging in the long run to have 50% of active users on this platform to be centralized on one domain. Especially if this domain makes as many boneheaded decisions as lemmy.world

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      I think it incredibly damaging in the long run to have 50% of active users on this platform to be centralized on one domain.

      I agree, but 50% is still better than 100%. I definitely appreciate that I’m reading about this while being totally unaffected personally rather than just disappearing entirely like what happens with a banned subreddit.

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        We badly need Lemmy clients that can merge instances even if they’re defederated, as well as the other way around, filter out entire instances even if your instance won’t defederate from them. Letting instance owners dictate what you can or cannot see is not the way.

        There are clients that will do the former (eg. Liftoff) but I’m not aware of any that will do the latter. I don’t understand why, it can’t be that hard to filter users and communities by instance.

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            Some time and tinkering.

            It’s quite straightforward (especially if you don’t use nginx or need email) to use the docker install.

            So you need a Linux box (IDK about windows) a fix IP with a port routed to your machine and some free time. Oh yeah a domain name pointing to said IP.

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                It’s definitely achievable and I’d encourage anyone to play around with self hosting.

                The main thing to acknowledge before getting started is that it’s an ongoing commitment, like a puppy. Getting it to work initially is the easy part, you can follow a guide and have something working in a few hours of effort. Running in to problems later on is the tricky part, automated backups and upgrades et cetera, something needs a re-start, things just stop working for some reason.

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                  Ah yeah, I can imagine it’s not a one and done thing, you’d have to do a lot of support with your server, can see it being a massive time sink

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      A lot of people register there initially to get their feet wet and move on to another instance later for these reasons. At least we have subscriptions/blocks transferring tools now.

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      The snitch came from your instance btw. Keep an eye out for @Bungiefan_ak@lemm.ee

      I deleted my .world account

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        Bungiefan_ak appears to have literally two hobbies, and they’re being anti-piracy and actively a fascist.

        Funny how that works out.

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            Its been deleted now, but that person has successfully trolled every lemmy.world user and is obviously full of hate and intolerance.

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              The shit that really gets my goat, is that they had this patriotic spin to their comments about how it’s illegal. Like sure, whatever but you could just stfu and mind your business, y’know? Oh well, trolls gonna troll and get banned, lol.

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                The goal is to get people reactionary about it so it’s good to recognize and completely ignore them, not even a downvote.

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      I think lemmy.world gather the kind of redditors that like sanitized world views, the power of decentralization makes us choose an instance without those hot garbaje takes as lemmy.world.

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      100% spot on. I got called all sorts of names for pointing this out, but maybe my own fault for pointing it out on one of their posts! 😅

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      They should have shut down registrations a long time before they gained such a majority of users.

      They stand behind the lie that “if we didn’t let people in, they wouldn’t know where to go”… as if it’s so hard to create a new registration page that re-routes people to other instances.

      I’ll never understand the selfishness of people like that. They know they’re actively hurting all of lemmy, but they want to keep all the users to themselves. This thing only works if it’s a collection of smaller instances.

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    This feels like an obvious bullshit cop-out reason to defederate against a specific community that they don’t like for whatever silly reason they can’t reveal to the public.

    Never have I seen an actual link to content survive very long on lemmy.ml or dbzer0.com. Just like the good old /r/Piracy we discuss piracy, but we do not directly facilitate it.

    Someone please slap the back of their heads repeatedly and aggressively with these facts. This excuse is disingenuous as hell.

    If you are a user of lemmy.world; RUN. NOW! Find a new instance. Switch away from them before they reach terminal enshitification velocity.

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    Lemmy.world overtook beehaw and .ml because they promised to not go bonkers with power tripping defederation. Now they’re beehaw but with far more power over lemmy. Fuck that instance.

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          Well, not if the communities are distributed across several large instances, no?

          Small istances don’t have the resources to host large communities

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            images are the real issue. text is extremely small and most instances should be able to handle even the largest text and link based communities.

            in fact they can’t participate on lemmy if they couldn’t because the text of a post (and all the comments) gets copied to all instances subscribed to a community

            and of course moderation can be a concern as well, but if you’re not ready to moderate you shouldn’t host anything other than a single user instance anyway.

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          Don’t worry you don’t need ten accounts, you will always be able to make a new one, should the need arise

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        Beehaw is trash (and so are people who say based)…

        Be nice as a main rule? Fuck you, this is the internet. I don’t like most of you and I think you should know it.

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      TBF it doesn’t seem like they were against piracy per se, they just wanted to avoid potential liability. That said, I’ve still moved on to another instance.

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    https://lemm.ee/post/4235833

    A transphobic troll got spanked and then retaliated with that post and the .world admins were stupid enough to blindly follow the directions of an alt-right turd.

    Just saying.

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      Not just transphobic but racist as well and going by the posted pebbleyeet memes probably also fascist. Sad that the lemmy.world admins took the bait especially after dealing with constant ddos themselves for kicking off their own trolls

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        It’s comedy how wishy washy they are on not federating with Meta despite bunch of their users saying they hate Facebook and Zuck but are convinced to defederate from us by a single post from such a suspicious account.

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          Just because that’s the post we see doesn’t mean there isn’t more to this.

          Realistically, I can see other instances doing this eventually as well.

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      I just saw the same user on the star trek instance, accusing them of being into ‘nerd shit’

      It’s doubtful they posted to .world with genuine concerns. They just seem like an agent of chaos.

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        ‘nerd shit’

        On Star Trek? Imagine that! (I’ve been nerding over there, off and on, all day) 🤣

        Incidentally, when I looked up that user earlier in the day, they account was 8 hours old.

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      Source for this person being transphobic? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just don’t know where this is coming from…

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        About 5 shitty memes that are now deleted, that’s what this post is in response to in the first place.

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    I think this is better tbh, I personally don’t like it when piracy forums/sites/whatever piracy related thing goes too mainstream. Maybe it’s gatekeeping, I don’t know, I just don’t want another Z-Library incident.

    Either way, they probably aren’t even against piracy, they’re probably just lazy and don’t want to deal with any of the issues they could potentially face down the line.

    Edit - grammar

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    Lemmy.world is dogshit. It feels like a nanny instance or like a reddit 2.0. Idk why people keep joining that bullshit instead of spreading out.

    I’m so happy that I joined a small instance that hasn’t defederated or been defederated from anyone

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          Honestly I don’t think I want to join that server but I’m glad I don’t have to. They’re far too political out of the gate I just want a piracy focused community that unredacts that part of the internet

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      Idk why people keep joining that bullshit instead of spreading out.

      Probably because they don’t understand how federation works. People are used to signing up for centralised services, so when they come to Lemmy because of a reddit post where someone said “I just signed up at lemmy.world, it’s great” and then they install an app and lemmy.world is the first instance listed, they just blindly assume that is the official/main instance that they should start with.

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    wow it’s almost like having a huge chunk of lemmy’s users in one instance is a bad thing. who would’ve thought.

    seriously though more people should migrate to smaller instances.

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        I’ve been saying that for a while, start a service where you can pay x€ per month for self-hosting your 1 to 5 users instance, that makes it easy to get it started via a few choices, and I’m sure it would be very popular.

        If there are any code-masters out there that want to partner with someone that can lead the vision/sales/UX aspect of it, hit me up.

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          there are people that do this kinda thing for mastodon (see masto.host as an example), so it’s only a matter of time before lemmy hosters of this nature will pop up.

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        instances need to be constantly online under the same domain to receive new posts. you can’t really host an instance from your home without some kind of tunnel or ddns setup, and you surely can’t host one from a potentially metered mobile connection.

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          Does ActivityPub not have retry with back off like email? Mail will try to be delivered for a few days before the sender gives up.

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            it depends on the implementation. lemmy does have something similar but it’s not as aggressive as email and in the peak reddit migration times it wasn’t uncommon to have un-federated replies and posts from all the instances being overloaded.

            also that queue is stored in memory so if the server dies or gets updated or otherwise restarts it won’t bother with old stuff

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    federation works as intended

    Dumb mfs: FUcK lEmMy.wOrld pOwEr tRipers rreEEeE

    Guess which is the reddit clone.

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      Good to know just so I know to go to an instance that doesn’t block this community. I don’t blame .world for being careful. This is indeed the Fediverse working as intended.

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        I think that people are more upset that it was done only after a troll complained about it on the support or admin community.

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          Yeah, that was a dumb reason, I agree. But I also think it was inevitable with .world being the biggest instance. They’re the first place in Lemmy any corporation will go to if they wanna sue.

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            I also just thought that, given how thoroughly downvoted that post and all its OP’s comments were, it makes the Admins of Lemmy.world look like they’ve actively gone against popular opinion. Psychologically, mobs tend to dislike that appearance.

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                Like, I think people are upset about blocking the piracy communities, sure, but I think that the real issue is that it feels like everyone is just vibing, doing their thing on their lemmy instances, then this troll comes in all fake concerned about breaking rules, gets utterly piled on naturally, only for the admins in question to come in and “side” with the “loser” in people’s eyes.

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                  Yeah, I agree with that. It’s not the blocking that’s such an issue, it’s how they came to decide to do it. Definitely wasn’t handled well. I wonder if the (even more) downtime they’ve been having recently is a result of more people being pissed about this move piling on to the DDOS attacks?

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            There’s nothing to sue? They could go after an instance owner, sure, but I’m reasonably sure that there’s still Section 230 safe harbor protections for “service providers”, which to my knowledge could easily be the owner/admin of a fediverse instance. Perhaps it’ll need to be litigated in the courts, which is unfortunate for whoever gets stuck being the trailblazer.

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              Each instance owner is running these instances themselves, presumably out of the home, for free.

              They could go after an instance owner, sure, but

              There’s no “but”. They could fight a lawsuit, sure, but that’s time consuming and expensive, and why bother? The piracy isn’t coming from their instance, why should they have to fight a lawsuit for it? Piracy has its own instance, nothing has been defederated, they’re just not hosting the content on their server to save themselves the hassle down the road. I can’t imagine they’ll be the only one.

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                Sure, but doesn’t it suck that it doesn’t matter what the law says? Do you think it’ll ever change if everyone rolls over and isolates undesirable communities (think beyond piracy to other things like adult content, or content from marginalised groups)

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                They won’t really have to fight a lawsuit because it would just be thrown out if a company tried to file one.

                At worst they’d just get DMCA take down requests.

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                  Lawsuits don’t generally just throw themselves out. You have to pay a lawyer to show up and ask the judge to throw out the lawsuit on account of the fact that you don’t host the thing, or whatever the reason is.

                  Judges don’t go out and do research; if one side’s lawyer says Whirlybird runs The Pirate Bay out of their kitchen and the other side’s lawyer isn’t there, then the court is going to proceed as though that is at least plausible.

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        Many of us have at least one secondary account, for whatever reason. Lemmy instances are run by people, but some entitled assholes are acting like admins are musk or something.

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          I sympathise with instance admins without the ability to risk a court fight, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t those out there who would welcome such a challenge, and I don’t think they should be pressured to cave if they’re inclined not to.

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          Instance management styles reflect the variety of human personalities and tastes. There will always be a few power trippers, but at least now we can escape. Fuck u/spez@lemmy.world

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            If some people love piracy that much, they can use an account in the respective instance. Everyone happy, no harm done.

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              True, I agree, it’s not a big deal, just another account, but I can live with it, yes.

              PS: but there is still a case to be made for eclectic instances that host a variety of content. Otherwise, if you pile all piracy with porn, weed and whatever legal gray areas it will be easier to pick them off. Same with politics, debatable science, etc. If you concentrate them too much, federation is moot.