Then there’s Safari on iOS….
I really like Vivaldi. Their management even seems kinda ethical.
absolutely proprietary
“Vivaldi browser is part open-source, part closed-source” They can make it sound great, but in the end its not. https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-browser-open-source/
I don’t know if it’s just ethical or their unwillingness to improve but they have left a lot of issues open for several years.
Issues like -
- Auto dark mode for web pages - they removed it when Chrome for Android dropped it, but never picked it back up. All other browsers have it now
- Geolocation on Mac. Their argument is weird for this and the issue is still there for over 5 years
- A lot of changes nobody asked, something like address bar auto complete, which they forcefully changed to top sites without even giving options
- Slowdown because of bloat - while a lot cliam that it isn’t the case, Vivaldi has brought my M1 Mac to its knees, even with brand new instace. Again only one to do so
Firefox is indeed amazing but since chrome is so widespread a lot of sites primarily focus on supporting that - and thus i cant always use firefox. its a bit annoying
Okay, now how does one share a meme to annoy ones friends?
What’s with all these comments saying Firefox is slow!? I’ve never noticed FF slowing down? I also can’t find anything online particularly damning (they all are pretty close in scores. No massive performance numbers for one or the other). I thought this was just a common misconception. Can anyone explain?
Firefox is slower on synthetic benchmarks compared to Chromium ones but I’ve never seen a noticeable difference while surfing sites.
Multi-Account Container with proxy support is a killer feature for me. I keep Brave as fallback just in case for PWAs.
Arc and Orion are the best browsers I’ve used. GNOME Web looks nice, too.
Gnome Web is neat but the lack of any extension support is a deal breaker.
Edge used to be unique,but then they just copied chromium… It had much smaller scrolling which was great on touch screens. Now I have no reason to use it.
opera also used to maintain their own browser engine if i remembered correctly, but they all just dipped
On the flipside, atm Edge seems to be the better Chromium choice (if you don’t have a Microsoft hate boner).
Let’s be clear: it’s a very good browser, very HTML5 compliant, and perhaps one of the best browsers…
…Assuming you don’t care about insane amounts of spyware - AND not having a lot of really cool browser add-ons (those having spyware and memory leaks is a separate topic, but I want to acknowledge these problems).
Edge makes more calls home per second than any other piece of software on my computer. I looked at my live log and it was a literal stream. Nearly every single action you do is tracked and sent… (waves hands confusingly up in the air in circles) …somewhere. Likely Microsoft, but I really don’t know.
Almost all of Windows is like this too. I hate it so much. There’s just no great way to have nice things right now.
@SCmSTR Linux, Firefox, Lineage OS
I don’t know why, but even on my machine which gets 40-60 FPS in FFXIV while simultaneously encoding a movie, Firefox was always slower than chromium browsers.
I truly don’t understand it.
Depends on what sites you are using, google sites are slower for me, others are faster.
Also looks like chrome is better at looking faster somehow, probably starts to render page sooner.
And of course: wgich extensions do you have in firefox and how old is your profile. Try it out with new, clean profile and than you will feel it.
>And of course: wgich extensions do you have in firefox and how old is your profile. Try it out with new, clean profile and than you will feel it.
I mean this is fair, but eventually the profile ages and I may choose to add more extensions, no? Why would a selling point be “we’re fast on a brand new install, but after a couple years and adding some extensions, we’re gonna slow down like fuck”?
Linux setup (PopOS) - Home and daily driver.
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Firefox (hardened): My go to everyday browser
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Firefox Beta: For financial sites that don’t like hardened Firefox.
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Firefox Nightly: For other sites that don’t like hardened Firefox.
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Brave: for use with just one site for reading with Dark Reader extension.
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Firefox Developer’s Edition (hardened): Another option, as needed.
Windows setup - Home. Really only use for disc media ripping and burning.
- Firefox (hardened)
Windows setup - Work
- Firefox (hardened): Daily driver
- Chrome: For when something doesn’t want to work on hardened Firefox.
What do you mean with hardened? Why beta for financial stuff?
Hardened = Firefox hardening. Hardening is an option that I choose to implement to improve some aspects of privacy and security of beyond the out of the box Firefox factory settings. I use the settings as recommended in the book, Extreme Privacy - 4th Edition (2002) by Michael Bazzell.
I use the Firefox beta version only for one specific financial account (Chase) that will not work with hardened Firefox. I use the the Firefox beta version with no changes to the default out of the box settings. Using the Firefox beta version allows me to log in to my Chase account while still connected to my VPN.
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Vivaldi > All browsers
If only it was FOSS…
Parts of it are. Vivaldi wants to retain its brand and doesn’t want people making forks and potentially tarnishing its reputation. And given how unpopular it is, they can’t really afford that to happen. I personally have no issues with Vivaldi wanting to keep things that way and I don’t mind it not being completely FOSS. Given how absolutely amazing the browser is and how customizable and feature-packed it is, it’s absolutely irresistible for me not to use it.
Here’s a blog post from Vivaldi about it not being completely FOSS and their reasoning
They’ve also got a great privacy policy so I’m not concerned with privacy either.
Fun fact: Vivaldi is the go to browser for car makers such as Lamborghini, Mercedes, Audi and other car manufacturers https://vivaldi.com/android/automotive/
Honest question. What’s wrong with chromium? I understand why google/ms and other corpo flavours are bad, but why is base chromium bad
The problem is the lack of diversity. Google controls Chromium and almost all browsers are Chromium based so Google controlls the supported web features of almost all browsers, giving them the power to decide which web features are supported on the internet and which aren’t. They use this for example to push their own file formats for the web instead of better alternatlives. Remember when everyone was mad that ublock origin wouldn’t work on Chromium browsers anymore? Same thing. They get money from ads so they make it harder to block them. Google shouldn’t have that much power over the web.
No, Google no controls Chromium, despite Chromium as is use a lot or Google APIs. But Chromium is FOSS and because of this a lot of Chromiums are “degoogled” or parcial “degoogled” leaving some APIs as Option in the settings (Vivaldi permits even to quit the API for the Chrome Store in the settings page, if you don’t want extension from there). The difference in Chrome itself, EDGE, Opera and others, is that they all use a lot of own tracking APIs above the default from Chromium.
Sure it’s FOSS, but who’s actually working on the codebase? That’s right, google employees. Good luck submitting patch if your patch runs counter to google’s interests.
Not a problem, in Vivaldi there a lot of patches against Google interests. Even Google can do nothing if the devs of other companies eliminate the tracking APIs from Chromium, precisely because it’s FOSS an even Google can’t revert it and can’t do nothing against modified forks. There are several intends in the past, with idle tracking, FloC, and some others, also cutting of Google sync for others than Chrome, discriminative Browsersniffing in some websites to block Vivaldi and others. Nothing of this worked. Vivaldi is a small european cooperative with few devs, but which are among the bests out there. Now on top of that they have managed to introduce Vivaldi into the world of Browsers and its use in Mercedes, Renault and VAG, that has not even been achieved by Google and with this also eliminated the possibility of acting against Vivaldi, without messing with these Companies. This is showing a really big middle finger.
Yeah? Manifest V3 wants to have a word with you and your completely independent de-googled Browser. Some might be able to put in the work to delay the rollout but at one point anything not supporting V3 will just break compability, completely unintentional obviously.
Firefox ftw!
